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Welcome to Breaking the Trance source cast, episode six, Mission Impossible. Alright. So, dad, what do you wanna talk about? What's on your mind?
Ashok:Well, Näth I think we've done, five amazing, episodes of break the trends, and we've been doing an outpouring of the greatest story never told, the code issue, the code meaning, you know, the the the logic, the grammar, the software of the mind is all important. And we we've perhaps overwhelmed any potential listeners. Again, the spirit of this source cast from the source, not from the normal media space, which has been overrun and highly problematic, But Source Media Network is attempting to get to the source of the original of a foundational language and mind space and source code. And we're seeking to bring that media, source media, to speak to the audiences if anyone is gonna join, but we're speaking to all the people across the planet. Even though we happen to be situated in The UAE and there are problematic issues unfolding in the drama of The US right now and has been since the founding, you know, two hundred and forty, fifty years ago.
Ashok:What we've presented so far in our conversation between you and me to focus on what does it take to break the trance? And we articulated the science, the source science of seeing the code and how it's holding humanity across the planet still in a profound of space, of the software of the mind that has malware in it, and we haven't been able to see it. And and I'm really wondering, God, it's time to step back after five and just have a, it's not more private, but just a heart to heart reflection on the challenges we face in seeking to bring source a source where? A sourcecast. Not a podcast, but a sourcecast to really reach the people.
Ashok:And and, you know, the frustrations and barriers that the great teachers have faced, the first responders for millennia. All the great first scriptures and first, enlightenment and and Vedic science and and Christ's, and Moses and Socrates and reason, all of that going on for centuries. But it seems that the people across the planet are still labored under a certain captivity of a software that we haven't been able to see in mind reminding. And I just wanna pause and have a you know, just between you and me. And I hope everyone's listening, of course, across the planet.
Ashok:It's irrelevant. Excuse me. You know, this
Näthan:I'm allergic to this conversation. What's that? I said I'm allergic to this conversation.
Ashok:I can see that now. I wanna ask you just, you know, as colleagues. You know, there's so many barriers that humans have been facing for for millennia and not listening to our first responders and the powerful medicine to get us to see this and to migrate into the deeper human space. Yeah. And I'd like to just ask you, what is it gonna take to really reach, you you know, the wider range of people across the planet?
Ashok:You know, where where where we are in the human condition. Here's a human condition, but fortunately, it's held by by the source. So whatever name you use for God, Allah, Brahman, Om, Tao, for the infinite logos, we're in the we're in the logosphere, but still, we seem to be held here. What does it take, given the deep entrenched addictions that we have an embeddedness here to see it, face it, and break this trance. Because the name of our source council is Break the Trans.
Ashok:And we've done five, I think, very powerful presentations, one through five. And this is number six. And I wanna take a breather. And any listeners who have been following us so far, one through five, or even for the last one or two, the last one was so powerful. Yeah.
Ashok:Let's see if you could stop and have a breather between you and me. What because I'm concerned that what has not happened for millennia from a first responders in scriptures, we're suggesting something really remarkable, that we've been downloading it here in this level of our mind operating technology software. Use the word code, grammar, logic, whatever. It's a software of how we're using our mind, how we are using our mind to get the information. And some we download all of our first teachings into what's familiar to us, and we blow it.
Ashok:And we're we're in deep trouble, the human condition now. It's there's a virus, malware. There's a mind operating word, virus, mind word virus, life virus, human virus. It's a human virus. Because we are as we mind, and if we're minding here that we got deep issues and the great teacher saw it, and the scriptures are calling us, see it and move it.
Ashok:Let it go, detach whatever name we and cross over. Mhmm. So What what what what can we do and what do we have right? We're alleging that this hologram is a powerful new technology that was not on the planet before. And because we have the notation now to see the diff we are marking it in a way it was never before that, it was conflated.
Ashok:We didn't have this hologram. Now that we have this technology to see source word, derivative word In Lego space and logo space. Whatever. The two languages. The two ways of it.
Ashok:The forms of life. Humans here and humans here. People here and we, the people here. So I am just pausing and wanted to just explore with you. What does it take?
Ashok:Can we really reach a wider audience?
Näthan:Yeah. You said wider, not whiter.
Ashok:Wider. A mass audience, you know. If we're in the media source media, we're trying to bring media source media to the eyes and ears of the people here across the planet.
Näthan:Okay. Alright. Of all of all of all of
Ashok:Of all of it. Of all of colors, you know, genders, orientations, whatever. You're a family. All of us. Right?
Ashok:We seem to have so many defense mechanisms to to to block even this new technology. And what you and I are hoping and we're excited and thrilled because we have something new that it's not just us. It's all the great teachers that are trying to bring this out, all the great scriptures across the planet. This is like the encapsulation and releasement and disclosure in a hologram to see what is the human condition, and why are we in such a profound medical existential crisis here. And and yet, this is so normalized.
Ashok:The malware, the the virus, there's a virus here. There's a code a code virus, a mind virus, a word virus because we're blocked from going into the deeper encounter with reality, being.
Näthan:Yes.
Ashok:This version of being is derivative and we have to get to a deep we have to migrate this.
Näthan:So let me let me interject. Okay? Because I feel like this this episode is already showing the issue. Because, you know, when we're talking about this, when we're talking about just, like, alright. We're not gonna have any agenda here except to just get really real and honest, because we could talk like we know what we're talking about till we're blue in the face and still have very few people understand why they even want to listen.
Näthan:And I was That's the point.
Ashok:That's what
Näthan:I was I was expressing to you and been expressing to you in a way for years, we gotta use less lofty terms. We gotta, you know, when we say when we bring in twenty five hundred years or millennia and we bring in the words like scripture and logos, sphere, and these things are just not common words for people. And so there's an immediate, even if somebody wants to follow, there's immediate, what I've experienced again and again when I've been, say, perhaps less sensitive to this with my clients. Whether I'm teaching a yoga class or whether I've got a one on one client in my my my life coaching arena. If I've ever got sometimes I'll notice I'm making perfect sense to myself, but there's a very telltale blank stare.
Ashok:I know I know there was a lot of snow.
Näthan:It doesn't matter how how true what we're saying is and how spot on. There really is a a major issue as I see it, in that when when you and I so guys that are listening, like so my dad and I have been, colleagues, you know, partners in crime as it were for many years now.
Ashok:Like, we
Näthan:our first workshop was, gosh, back in 2013 was our first official workshop, though we'd already kind of started to collaborate before then. So we're talking, you know, a good, twelve to fifteen years in there when we really started to, like, work together and collaborate. And, I think people see us in this capacity just kinda like, you know, like a like tennis. You know, we're hitting it back and forth, and we're we're we're playing a great game. But there is a real sense that, like, we're getting each other and we're getting where we're coming from, but, I always feel like I wanna tell people who are listening, like, I I've struggled hugely with this.
Näthan:I I I don't wanna say I kicked and screamed, but, yeah, I guess I kinda did. I didn't take to understanding this right away.
Ashok:This and where do you read this?
Näthan:This is, the the the the double brackets and the single brackets and understanding the scope of what's going on here and how much of this we call it a technology. You're seeing markings on a pad. You're seeing parentheses and markings on a pad. But we're calling it a technology, and we're we're daring to say it's an unprecedented technology. And that also we're saying that without it, we're not gonna be able to get out of the shit show that humanity is in right now.
Näthan:And we're all feeling that. We can all kind of agree that that there's a real sense of of things getting worse and worse and more and more intense, and there's just gonna be, like, this massive breaking point or breaking points, an Armageddon of reckoning, if you will, of our own the own, you know, just the the the consequences of our choices as a species just really coming back. And and are we gonna survive it? Are we gonna you know? There's a real sense of dread in the sphere, in the field.
Näthan:And I think that this people have felt this for a while, but it's really I've noticed, that it's really picked up lately. And okay. So we can kind of all agree on that, but what we're daring to say is that what we're doing here is the key. And now who how how dare anybody say that? You know?
Näthan:So what we're saying is so is really big. And and you, dad, and I, we get this, but that it's really hard for just people who are going through their everyday experience and and and just trying to pay the bills, just trying to make sure the kids are going to school and coming home safe. And and, you know, those immediate worldly demands are on us. And most people don't even get to stop and say, like, hey, I don't know if I'm really that happy. I I'm feeling like we're talking about really lofty things here, and I almost feel like we need to almost, like, go, woah, Nelly.
Näthan:Pull way back and be like, people are just not happy right now. People are stressed. They're exhausted. They're worn they're worn out, which is kinda saying the same thing. There's despair.
Näthan:There's worry. All these things culminate in stress, anxiety, anxiety leading to depression, and depression and anxiety is just almost like this par for the course now. And there's different degrees of that. It could be, like, functioning depressed, or you can be depressed depressed.
Ashok:But
Näthan:I think as a as a whole, humanity and people are struggling. It within the space of materialist materialism, and we're just focused on getting what we want or what we feel like we need in the immediate sphere. What we're talking about here just seems like why this I don't have time for this. And I don't even understand what they're saying. When you say words like, you know, logos, sphere, or or we we invoke names such as Buddha or Jesus or Krishna or Moses and Lao Tzu and these these names, it comes across to a lot of people.
Näthan:I I mean, I think more than ever, religion is is just sort of an immediate turn off or anything that sounds like religion, I should say. We're not we're not invoking those names in a religious sense. When you say first responders, you're referring to all of these religious figures as beings who are trying to address the suffering that is actually really old. We have a modern version of an old, old problem.
Ashok:Well said, yeah.
Näthan:And, and and that the first responders, we we've kind of adopted that terminology to refer to because they're responding to an emergency on planet Earth. They're they're responding to not just human suffering, but normalized human suffering, which is even worse because you can be suffering and accustomed to it, and I think we are. And then we're we're, entranced, there's the trance, by trying to remedy these problems that are being generated by being in this trance that we keep calling out. And yet we're doing it without getting out of the trance. That would be like my way of just complete completely summing up everything that we're doing.
Näthan:We don't know we're in a trance. The trance is causing all the problems that we're experiencing. At the heart of which, the worst the worst problem of all, the sort the core problem of it is we're cut off from our true nature, our source. We're cut off from source. We're we're living in, in a, a normalized sense of being objectified and we're trying we're we're feeling a void inside of us and we're trying to fill the void inside of us, and we're getting entranced by all of these goose chases.
Näthan:We're either we're running towards or running from what's haunting us or what what what we're wanting, haunting and wanting. And and and that's just gonna it doesn't matter how much we get. And we keep getting entranced by that, and we're so obsessed with the material at cost of eggs or whatever, you know, the cost of anything. And so more money equals more happy and and more, attention, more likes. You know, we're just all entranced in this kind of, you know, needing to get because we're in this trance, but no one's calling out the trance itself.
Näthan:So what we're doing, we're daring to say is, what we're doing is the prerequisite before any of these problems, which are real problems in our life are addressed. We have to recognize that we have been we've have a deeply installed malware in our minds, in our beings, and it's deep, deep, deep. And it's the core of the problem. And if we don't address that, this is actually really good news, actually, because it's sort of like there's a sense of, like, pointlessness, like, the the myth of Sisyphus from Camus. The the the guy has to roll the boulder up the hill over and over and over, and he's just doomed to that.
Näthan:And it's absurd. And, you know, Camus' message, you have to imagine Sisyphus happy even though he's got this terrible existence. And we're saying no. We're saying no. It's not.
Näthan:That that's how to just bootstrap yourself and get with your willpower. You just gotta think positive and make yourself happy. It's not working. And we're so we're get we're we are a little frustrated. We are a little bit pissed off because there's a lot of self help that's not calling out the trance.
Näthan:And and it's it's like it's just basically g giving us, you know, candy, if you will. And I'm not saying it's not well intentioned, but what's the end result? We get this candy high from this next method or this next modality, and we try to tell ourselves this is it. And inevitably, it runs out of steam. And we gotta find the next thing, and there's a whole market around self help in quotes that's not calling out the trans.
Näthan:And so we've been saying this for a long time, and we've been calling this out for a long time. And we're what my dad's saying here, and we've been saying we've been talking about it in our in our, you know, our phone calls and whatnot. Like, there there is clearly a response from the people, and we wanna hear from you. Send us your comments. Send us your thoughts down below.
Näthan:Just comment, and we'd love to hear your feedback. But what we're a lot of people are saying you gotta meet people where they're at, and that's true. You do. We've we've gotta meet people where they're at. But if a student is like this, yeah, you know, like meet me where I'm at, meet me where I'm at, is lazy in their mind, lazy in their consciousness and wants to just be spoon fed, that's not helping the student.
Näthan:You gotta meet, you also have to meet the teacher. And and so we've we've been dealing with this kind of tension because there is a real we we've observed that there is real, when what we're what we're saying is actually should be really exciting and really, give you so much hope. We've come across a wide range of resistance, and I would even go so far as to say phobic responses and even anger and put nouns and, you know, and this is and it's like, wow. And and I used to take it really personally, you know. And then I realized, shoot.
Näthan:This is just physics. You know? What we're doing is calling out something as really, really deep. And and when our sense of security, which I would dare say is not real security, it's a sense of familiarity with insecurity. And we're secure because it's familiar, our our our ways of being, our rigid ways of of holding on to our identity and our worlds and all that.
Näthan:When that gets when challenge and we're raising the question, are you really grounded? Are your feet really on the ground? Well, that's a scary thing to ask ourselves. And so I think there's a lot of fear, subconscious, not even conscious. There's a lot of fear to where there's so some of it is we're asking how can we how can we reach people better?
Näthan:But some of it is how can how can we overcome how can you, the the listener, become aware that what's being shared here is going to rattle you at the at the foundations and that there is an objective responsibility that the listener has also to not slouch back, but to lean in, to sit up and listen.
Ashok:Well said.
Näthan:So that's just my immediate response. I know I went on for a while, and I appreciate you letting me go. But those are some of my initial thoughts.
Ashok:This is very helpful, Nava. And, you're bringing out the the what we face in trying to bring the most amazing. We call it the greatest story never told. We dare say this. This this hologram is capturing the greatest greatest story never told.
Ashok:And when you say first responders, why are why are the you know, all the great minds looking to what's Because what's first, the intuition deep implanted within us is that reality is there is a reality. There's being. Being is first. There's something first. And our great scriptural traditions have been calling it by God names, whether it's it's Yahweh or Allah or God or Brahman or and Buddha said, no.
Ashok:Let's not use god names. Let's use, you know, science, medical science, a field, a unified field of being. What what's going on on the ground for what's first? Right? First, it's tapping the the foundation of reality.
Ashok:Reality is first. It's the source of all. That's what this is showing. Whatever we have in our world views here in our this derivative form was already a great breakthrough for humanity to really tame the logos, the word, the light of reason, being, the infinite, to tame it, and and gain control over and put put have the cave fire where we can handle it, and the subject has the objects and information, and we can talk about it, and language is great to picture the world. But there's a deeper language, original source language in which you're zoning it.
Ashok:You're in the zone. You're not representing. It's presentational, not representational. And so the great first responders, because in different traditions across the planet over millennia, we're we're trying to get to what's first. But we didn't have the code differential between this code and that code, the logos code, the code of what is first, the god code, the the the oom code, the the whatever name you use, the Allah code.
Ashok:Right? It it was was compromised by trying to get it from the derivative software. It would we're downloading it, and we didn't know how to up script. And unless we see this, as you point out, we're not gonna be able to even know that there's a code that's got us captured. We don't know we're captive.
Ashok:Our minds are captive. It's you said it's very deep. Mhmm. And and therefore, it's normalized, insecurity. That was beautifully what you said.
Ashok:You know? When you get when you're used to your insecurity and it's familiar, just because it's familiar doesn't mean it's not problematic. And it's a pandemic across the human condition. Mhmm. That's why all these great first response across the planet in different languages and words are trying to name what's first and first responders because they say, we've gotta get towards first.
Ashok:Why? Because if we if we are privileging a derivative and treating business first, it's gonna be corrupt, and it is this malware, and it's gonna be fragmented, and we need the resource of the ground floor, which is unreachable. You can't break it apart. You can't if you can enter the logosphere, or the the the the God space, or the Allah space, or the Brahman space, or the Buddha, Dharma, the unified field, the Ono Purvis, that's where everything is so profoundly connected in a profoundly unreachable connectivity. Unum, infinite, not just ordinary unity, but bound infinite diversity without breaking apart into legal pieces.
Ashok:We have to serve that to get real. We and if our being is here fragmented and polarized and crumbling in a house of cards, in a kind of deep artificial intelligence course, we we are working it. We our wills are making it. So it's it's AI for us. You know, our truth is here.
Ashok:But as you point out, one of the barriers now, as you pointed out, is that this is a place of opinionism. The age we're living in is post truth because the truth for the science is not same as truth with a religious person. As you cross worlds, you know, I do no. It's matter of no. It's it's it's it's mind that's primary.
Ashok:As you change your lens and have different narratives here, they compete for what is meaningful in truth, and we live our lives. And that's our version of where we make ourselves. This is where we make ourselves on the screen of this this code.
Näthan:And people put us there. I mean normalized. And we get put what you're doing here gets put in that space.
Ashok:That's the point I'm I'm leading up here. One of the greatest barriers that we're facing in trying to bring this great news, the greatest story never told. Why is that the greatest story? Because we're finally seeing that what is first in all of this infinite magnificence and beauty and the ground of all value and truth and life has been corrupted by trying to bring it down here to where we are. So the greatest story never told, wow.
Ashok:We didn't have the code differential between the sourceware and the software here and the malware. We couldn't see it. Mhmm. And and but now here's the point where you just point out what we're facing now. And I don't know what it's gonna take for us to really bring this to the to the tension of the of the public, of of people, of folks.
Ashok:When I do this in my classroom at Hanover College, and I have a whole semester, I'm teaching their fifty seven years. I'm bringing out the hologram to the community and to the students in large numbers, and they're beginning to get it session after session, looking at the great texts and they're they're getting it. And you yourself said, I wanna come back to you in a moment because you were raised in this, and yet you you said later much, talk to the hand, and you went away. You know? And I'd like to hear more about that to to help people see how you struggled with with this.
Ashok:But but the point is the the the the what the many barriers is when we bring this up, it sounds, oh, that's too heady. That's that's too philosophical. That, you know, it's too heady. I'm feeling it. I got my intuition.
Ashok:That's one of the. Right? But here's one of the main thing is, it's all opinion. And, therefore, my will is gonna choose which story I want or or cluster of stories. You follow?
Näthan:Mhmm.
Ashok:So what the what we're doing here, allegedly, is gonna be seen in this media format, you know, as another story. It's your opinion. So these two guys here on the screen, you that's your story, but they're all opinion. Why? Because there is no truth.
Ashok:There is no truth. And what we're saying is, now that we have the breakthrough to the source code, we've got the source science. We've even had that before. It was there. This was always there.
Ashok:But we didn't see that this is science, source science. It's truth. We hold these truths to be self evident. These truths hold us in their self evidence. It's not we make him self evident.
Ashok:So we don't realize that Buddha is four noble truths. And I I hate to bring up the word Jesus on Buddha. I hate to do that because you're saying it's true. Love. But Socrates saying, gotta leave the cave and come into the Logos light.
Ashok:Jesus, I am the way, the truth, and the life. How can a a being be the Logos in the flesh, speaking? You mean there's a there's a Christ language? Yes? This is very serious.
Ashok:What we're suggesting is is is we're earth shaking and the greatest story I never told is that Jesus here is not Jesus. Buddha here is not Buddha. Some of these emphasis here is not self evident truth, life, liberty, demos, we the people. This is huge, what we're saying.
Näthan:Mhmm.
Ashok:And and and the science now, wow, could could democracy be based on science? Can ethics, I and other cannot be breached. I can't objectify the other. That's ethics is here. Ethics is grounded in the logo of science.
Ashok:This is huge, what we're saying.
Näthan:Golden rule. Yeah.
Ashok:The the golden all the many different golden rules that we've had, right, which are like platinum when you bring it into the gold. The golden rule is science. And Christ, for example, speaking here, I and the other, you have to love one another. Why? Because we're interwoven here, and here it's in silos.
Ashok:So I want to turn to you, and maybe you might share your struggle with this because you struggle with it, as you said before. Mhmm. Yeah. The phobia of the mind, the adjustment as Christian, what he says, being well adjusted to a profoundly sick society is no measure of health or well-being. Right?
Ashok:He said, we hear it in information. Yeah. That's nice, Christian Murti. That's nice, Descartes. That's nice, Socrates.
Ashok:That's nice, Mohammed. That's nice. Choose your story because now there's no grounding.
Näthan:Yeah.
Ashok:And you went your way. You left college and you you yeah. I'm a college professor, all these fifty seven years here outside of Philadelphia. You were raised on the campus, around the campus culture, and you were doing well in school. And I said, this is not for me.
Ashok:Education I was
Näthan:doing okay in school.
Ashok:You were doing really well. You were on the dean's list. I
Näthan:I sneeded by with minimal effort, like, you know, just I could've if I applied myself, I'm certain that I would've gone as far as I want to, but I was very much, you know, very undisciplined, very much, pleasure seeking, very, very much turned in on by spirituality and, the new age movement and and, all of that, which made me a kinda weirdo in in my East Coast suburb school. And so when I moved out to Sedona when I was 18 years old, Sedona is, you know, where I still am now, is is like a hub for spirituality and conspiracy theories and and, aliens and all the stuff, you know, that was so out of the box. And I had kinda I'd I'd you know, having grown up, with family meeting every Sunday, we went through the bible and, the the Bhagavad Gita and the Dhammapada and the Quran and the Dari Ching, all these sacred texts and, you know, being infused with that and just being influenced by, you know, what you were teaching that, you know, that was all in me. But coming to Sedona and coming to, like, the, you know, what I would say now is, like, a more of a single bracket spirituality that spirituality in that space, like an eclectic blend of, you know, angels and psychics and this and all.
Näthan:Not to put any of it down, but but it was like I was like, who needs who needs double brackets? Who needs philosophy? Who needs all that stuff's old. You know what I mean? And, like, I'm a feeling person.
Näthan:It's all about feeling and, like, get out of your head and into your heart. And, you know, it's all this kind of, like, what I what I see now was was almost, like, mind phobia. Like, a lot of coming together to, like, put down the mind because we've been misusing mind. The mind has been dysfunctional. But we threw the mind out with the bathwater, so to speak.
Näthan:And when I say we, I mean, like, anybody just kind of, like, with all that, religious fervor, you know, taking to, what we call spiritualism, you know, and, spiritual bypass, a lot of people call it now. You know, just basically, you know, rejecting anything that requires us to to upgrade our consciousness, upgrade our mind,
Ashok:and
Näthan:then go into all the the talk about dimensions and going into higher dimensions and all these different ways that are like, we're all trying to sidestep this issue, the code shift, right? And so so I got swept into all of that. And I rejected, not flat out rejected, but got kind of was like, alright, dad. I don't I don't think you really get it. Like, you don't get it.
Näthan:And, like, we get it. And then going on all kinds of journeys from medicine journeys to, you know, contra workshops and sitting with gurus and doing the whole, you know, throw away all my possessions and just hit the road thing and and, and yoga. The Burning Man, right?
Ashok:The Burning Man and yeah. Yeah.
Näthan:Burning Man, breath workshops, and all this stuff. And all of which I cherish has great experience, but what happened again and again was realizing whether it was a guru that I suddenly realized was completely phonying out to just call it what it is. Just basically, you know, taking advantage of the hunger of people like myself, who's just I want what I really wanted was get in touch with Source, but there's so many different versions of, like, well, you'll get it through this method, or you'll get it through listening to me, or you'll get it by breathing a lot, or you'll get it by this. And so all those things have powerful effects, and then we think that we're doing it. We think that we're making a crossing, but then it's in a weird way.
Näthan:Oh, yeah. Cleansing. That's another thing. The whole cleansing, pure pure diet, only vegan, only organic, like really getting in other words, thinking that these all these external things were gonna get me there. And I what was that there I wanted to get to?
Näthan:I wanted happiness. I wanted liberation, all this stuff. And I wrote off what you were showing and sharing with me. You were just kind of a steady rock all those years. You never shamed me for it or never said don't do that or anything.
Näthan:You just kinda said do your thing. You know? So I have my own accord, was able to come back and, you know, witnessing you, dad, is probably the most steadily steady person steady and I mean that in terms of, like, you're blissful. Like, you're con consistently blissful. Consistently I don't like to use the word positive, but just up and solid and steady.
Näthan:And and while I'm watching myself flailing like crazy in in all respects and the people around me also and and realizing, gosh, you know, maybe I need to listen. Maybe I and it took so in other words, I went through a lot of suffering and a lot of experimentation and a lot of goose chases to finally just get humble enough. So people might think that I just took to this automatically. No. Not even close.
Näthan:I had, in certain ways, I had to overcome even more. The fact that you were my dad made it even harder for me to get over my, you know, prejudices about you to finally listen. And I remember some key moments along the way, which I won't recount now, but just to I finally started to listen. And I started to listen more, and my guard started to drop. And I I just consider it getting humble.
Näthan:I just started to get more and more humble and started to really listen, not just to you, but to these great teachers you always refer to, which I had kind of written off as outdated and old and irrelevant. And then started, oh my god, it's not only that they're not old and irrelevant, we haven't even gotten them yet. You know, we we we have yet to understand the medicine that came through these amazing first responders, men and women, through the ages. And so I always I wish there were a way for people to know, and I guess that's part of what this episode is about, for them to know that, like, I didn't just automatically come into this. A huge amount of kicking and screaming, huge amount of resistance, Huge amount of exploration.
Näthan:Huge amount of dead ends. And and despair and depression and anxiety and all kinds of shit that I had to go through to get to the point where I finally fucking listened, to be honest. And and, and then really started to get it. Now it's at the point where not only have I gotten over my phobia about it, I've embraced it, and I've been taking your college courses now for the last six plus years consistently. Not because you expect me to, but because I want to.
Näthan:I realize how empowering it is, and it just makes me stronger and stronger and stronger. And so we find ourselves back to my original point. You and I find find ourselves being able to just like like we've learned how to fly. You know what I mean? Before before it's commonplace.
Näthan:And so we're just flying. It's like, well, great. You guys can fly. But that's that has nothing to do with I don't get it. You know?
Näthan:There's a lot of a feeling of and that's so what so what I've been not lamenting about, but we've been kind of just, how do we make this more, like, more relevant? It couldn't be more relevant. But when people haven't had any of the background that we've had and the years of practice, you know, it's like, imagine if it's like a martial art. We've been like we've been black belting it for a long time. But that that can make, somebody who's just getting started, you know, is just getting to white belt or yellow belt and feel like, what's the point?
Näthan:You know what I mean? I can't keep up with this. So how do we how do we sort of like I don't wanna say, I would it's not dumbing it down because that sounds like an insult. It's like it's like just really make it so basic in the sense of, like, guys, if we if we don't get this if we don't get this, that we're our minds are operating in a way that are constantly grinding against reality at the deepest level. Forget about what you're thinking about.
Näthan:It's how we are thinking, no matter what we're thinking about or what we believe, that has us literally grinding against reality. We're we're we're the friction that we are enduring by being out of touch with that flow of nature, that deeper flow of nature, including our bodies, our minds, our hearts, every all every level of human existence is grinding, and it hurts, and it's exhausting. It just flat out sucks, and none of these Band Aids are working. All these little little remedies, and we're, like, addicted to the remedies, but we know it's not working. So, yeah, I mean, I don't know if I have a neat wrap up to that, but, I mean, that's really what we're looking at right now.
Näthan:Like, what's it gonna take to to make this undoubtedly the most relevant issue that humans en masse have to face right now?
Ashok:Beautifully said not. Then I should also share at this point in terms of the the other side of your becoming a primary thinker, and a colleague over the years that I was struck as you went on your own journey and your your musical talents and the songs you were writing and the lyrics, to me, were just coming right out of the source. I don't know. How how did you how did you write songs like Now is the Time and Step Outside and Children of the Sun and, you know, the poet poetics that are coming from you was amazing. And I would say that was a phenomenon for me that you in my language in this language, you were coming you were tapping the source as an artist, as a singer songwriter performer, and you're bringing the vibrations out into the musical space.
Ashok:And then as a yoga teacher and I'm teaching the yoga the the great yoga texts, like the Bhagavad Gita Krishna, Lord Krishna teaching Arjuna the the yoga to move into the yoga, and you got your yoga certification and your journey. And you were teaching yoga, and I was struck that you were teaching yoga from the source. You were seeing that this is not yoga. You were saying the yoga of yoga. The essence of yoga is to see this and cross with the yoga technology.
Ashok:It's a technology to cross into the ohmsphere, into the unified field, to join with it. Mhmm. And I was struck to see my son rising with this natural talent and gift and orientation. You had this in you on your journey. And if you hit that end here and began to see that, wait.
Ashok:Maybe what my dad is doing is something, you know, it was helping you to discover who you are is what my and I should point out that having been in the academic one of the top places in the nation at Haverford College, founded by the Quakers, right, who saw this God in every person and teaching philosophy. My colleagues didn't get it. My students are getting it. And as I presented this around the planet, at the highest level of of of the most foremost thought leaders as a cochair with Erwin Laszlo, the World Wisdom Council, trying to bring this out. People would hear it and then, why?
Ashok:Right? One of the cofounders of a high level group, evolutionary leaders. Many of the top best selling authors and, you know, the recognized thought leaders on the world presenting this. And, okay, I move on. Right?
Ashok:Because they hear it. Because they're not seeing the code shift. So without this, everything gets swallowed here and nothing moves. So I found I had no colleagues. I with all of my conscientious efforts to reach out in in the academic world, on the off campus world, at the frontier of thought leaders at the highest level, people were just not getting it.
Ashok:And I watched you emerge coming to the classes, listening from from Sedona, tuning in, you know, long distance, and they were conscientiously listening, saying, wow.
Näthan:And I was but even then even then, I've, it took me a long time to get over my constant critic. That's right. I was just taking it apart.
Ashok:That's right. That's a It's taking a lot
Näthan:of work to listen.
Ashok:That's right. Exactly. Exactly. Right? And you emerge as a colleague, as well as a precious colleague for me to talk about.
Ashok:That what's going on people are seeing here is that you emerge as a qualified colleague. And how many colleagues does Gangadine have? You know? There are some key persons that really got it that I resonate with. Few, but it's rare.
Ashok:It's rare. And I I I'm virtually alone on on the campus for fifty seven years. Students are responding, you know, in amazing way. They get they're using the teams are using the notation to say baseball, you know, lacrosse, women's lacrosse, you know, basketball, right, to be in the zone. People talk about flow for athletes and peak performance when you're in the zone.
Ashok:They see this is this is a technology of being a zoner. Zen. And Gen z, they see I said, it has to become Zenji, mindful. And becoming mindful is becoming the critical turn of the rational being. We've got this in us, all of us.
Ashok:That's it. Embedded here. We have to somehow begin to mind our minding, become mindful. Not minding, but mind our minding. Mhmm.
Ashok:We have to see the code. And so I think this is the what we're massaging here, so to speak, now, if you and I is realizing it's extremely hard.
Näthan:Yeah. I think it's And I'm glad you brought that up
Ashok:about I'm not depressed. I'm not depressed.
Näthan:I'm totally depressed. So No. I'm just kidding. I'm really not. I mean, I'm I'm actually thrilled and excited.
Näthan:I it's more just scratching my head and going, okay. What's it gonna take? You know? Because, I found that people instead of being like, wow. What's this?
Näthan:Let me understand it more. There's more of like, like, almost like, an appetite to put it in a box. You know what I mean? And I and that's what's always intrigued me. It's like, why is there such a why is there such, like, a, why is the default to cut it down rather than to go, let me let me discover what this is about?
Näthan:And I think it's because there really is something about it that is, ground shaking. It really is ground shaking. And It's absolutely ground shaking. It's like Here's the funny thing. Just to finish my thought because you were saying about how I was teaching from that place.
Näthan:I didn't I wasn't consciously thinking I was teaching from that place. I think it was just sort of coming naturally. But I was a mess. I was totally still in this conflated space. And and so it goes to show you that even though this is where humans are in the trans space at large, ironically our native land, our native self, our our most safe, secure place, and our native tongue, our native language, our native mind space is actually that source space.
Näthan:Yeah. And that's what I was saying about the malware that we have installed. So we we we keep privileging what we're used to. And then when we're in that space, we like to say, you know, without getting into our true nature, we point to things like nature. But you can get outside, you can go outside, like my song says, step outside.
Näthan:You can step outside with your body and put your feet on the ground, and, yeah, it's gonna be good. That's not I'm not saying it's not gonna help, but it's not getting us out of the malware. Yeah. It's it's like, it's where we can still be here and and and trying and trying to get it through whether it's nature or medicine of some kind or or met Music or art
Ashok:or whatever. Yeah.
Näthan:We're all human. So what I wanna say is that we're we all have access to the zone space, but we keep on making the mistake of sort of, like, making it like, we're pointing at it out there. Yes. Exactly. Exactly.
Näthan:We need to just stop that. Like we said last time, we stop. Just stop. Everybody stop, and let's just step back from the from the lens because this is what we really want. What we really want is to be in our we wanna be in the source field.
Näthan:When you say logos sphere, this field of the field of the source, the place of that's nature. Wherever we are indoors or outdoors. That's nature. That's our true that's sacred space. That's where we're in bliss.
Näthan:That's where we're in love. That's where we can find love, you know, and, that's what we really want. So the ironic thing is what people want the most they their first response is phobia Yeah. Even unconscious phobia.
Ashok:And the reason for that, Knop, is that come on. Give give us a break. When you ask, my ID is my story that I or even a network of stories that I subscribe to. Or credentials, you know, expertise, credentials. It's my ID, whatever it is, and I am my ID.
Ashok:Mhmm. The CV that I have here in this narrative space. And to ask, as all the great first teachers, you gotta detach, you gotta let go, you gotta separate, you gotta whatever. Right? They're all calling, but it wasn't clear what you're detaching from, from this, from that, or what?
Ashok:No. The software. It takes tremendous discipline to see it, to face it, and step back, and to say, oh my god. You were right. It's scary.
Ashok:That's scary. All the great teachers knew that. And Jesus' version, unless you die, let go of your artificial narrative ID in the sin zone. I'm not gonna get into sin. If sin were not there in the biblical tradition, not, and you looked at the wisdom and the evolutionary journey of humans, sin sin would come up.
Ashok:It wasn't like, oh, it's in the bible. No. Sin is simply, from this point of view, is being cut off from source and from itself. And the great coaches, first responders, and scriptures, and enlightenment teachings are all having to do with we've gotta upgrade. We have to have the courage to let go of something profound, let it go, and rise.
Ashok:You take some faith in the source. And that's where your high self is. They're primary versions of each of us. A Logos kid, a Logosapien. Not Lego, not a separate unit by yourself, but a Logos kid.
Ashok:And scary as hell to do that. Mhmm. And your your your sharing is an example. Right? And I'm saying you're you're you really stand out in the you know, I've said I've been teaching fifty seven years and thousands of students who begin to get it Mhmm.
Ashok:When they're in the class for a semester. Mhmm. 26 sessions day after day calling them in in the lab, they begin to get it. They begin to see this.
Näthan:Mhmm. Yeah. It's amazing to watch. Pardon me? It's amazing to watch, you know, again and again.
Näthan:You don't know how it's sinking in, and then you see the midterms, and the students start start just talking.
Ashok:Woah. Oh, brilliant kids. They start to get it. Yeah. Yeah.
Ashok:And, actually, this is not
Näthan:this isn't complicated. This is actually the simplifier. It is complicated without this, without the without this technology.
Ashok:This is a complicator. Mhmm. This is the simplifier. Unifying, a more perfect union, the unum, the unum, the unum, the unum, the unum, the unifier of the first. When you flip from this first, no, this is first.
Ashok:It's not a conversion, an inversion. Version. Mhmm. I I went there, oh my god. Oh my it's simple.
Ashok:It's unified. That's ethics. That's demos. That's love. Mhmm.
Ashok:That's fulfillment. That's well-being. That's nirvana. It's here. It's right here.
Ashok:All of this is being held. Anyway, we've gone there. I think we have to wash the tiling oven.
Näthan:Yeah. I was thinking that too. I'm I'm just really glad. We'll probably do these, you know, now and again. This is our our intention for this one was kind of just like, let's let's just, speak honestly about about our experience as we're going through this.
Näthan:You know what I mean?
Ashok:It's not that we're not speaking honestly from the heart. We through five.
Näthan:We are. No. No. Absolutely. But I guess I mean, like, just, like, have, like, a heart.
Ashok:I know you didn't mean that. I understand. You know, we were giving it everything we've got. Our human eye, our passion is that the greatest important, most prior thing happening on the human family in our crisis now is this, the great story that we're told. This
Näthan:is a good this is a good news.
Ashok:This is a good news because this medicine of source science is what's going to help us see the brokenness in our lives and the emptiness over millennia. It's not an overnight thing. And it's not just you and I got this. We're seeing the great teachers in scriptures who are bringing this out. And we were blessed to help find the notation to to to to bring out the code differential so that people can finally see, oh, OMG.
Ashok:I'm getting together now. I I'm seeing the deeper language.
Näthan:Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's funny because I I just got this book, of my own. My friend had lent it to me first, Flatland, by Edwin Abbott. And, I think it really serves, as we sign off, I think it's like a really good analogy because it's a conversation of a third dimensional being speaking to a two dimensional being.
Näthan:So it's narrated from the perspective of a square, literally a two dimensional being. And this three-dimensional being is, like, the it's a conversation between the two.
Ashok:And Yeah.
Näthan:And that it's a really good analogy for this because, it's it's like in order to understand that higher dimension, you have to get out of Flatland, it's called Flatland. You know? And it's almost like we we're so used to flat minding everything. When when when Buddha or Jesus or one of our revered teachers is speaking or there's a true teaching from source, we automatically flat flatland it. You know?
Näthan:You can't you can't draw a sphere, you know? Or you can draw something that looks like a sphere, but you know what I mean. Like, it's like we keep two dimensionalizing, these teachings, and we haven't been Language
Ashok:in the word. Yeah.
Näthan:Yeah. To access it, you know? And so if you think of it as a good analogy for what we're looking at here, this is exciting. This is about it's not the two dimension Flatland is not our home. You know, that's not our home.
Näthan:Our our true nature is that this this dimension of being that we're almost denied access to because of how deeply entrenched the malware is in our consciousness. So the the most powerful thing we can do for ourselves is learn to to be able to sit back and see the malware. Because then you can see it operating in your life, and you can see how it how it causes all the suffering. If you wanna just talk feelings and this is all too heady for you, well, if you wanna just look at everything that sucks in your life or anything that's difficult or painful, struggle some, you know, and you and you can start to see how it's being generated by the by the malware
Ashok:Yeah.
Näthan:And that you don't have to do it, and you can step out of that. You can go into a deeper flow state. Term flow state is often thrown around too in in the single bracket sense, but but a true double bracket flow state, that that's your nature. That's your home. And until you until we get that, you know, we're we're just we're working with Band Aids, and we're we're placating ourselves within the within the trance.
Näthan:And so that's our that's why our passion is so strong. We're saying let's stop. Let's stop doing that. There's there's a there's a direct line to our true nature and true happiness and well-being. So we're gonna keep doing this every every week, come rain or shine.
Ashok:Our vow for anyone listening, our vow is that this is the most important thing for our human survival. It's come down to a point of life and death now. This has this has reached a fever there's reached a fever pitch of of self deconstruction and and fragmentation. Mhmm. The virus the the the the the lego virus, for for for millennia has been working and has reached a fever pitch now, right, where things are about to collapse.
Ashok:And we feel it. And and we we have no choice now but to choose. We have the only choice is to become free beings.
Näthan:Yes. Right where we are.
Ashok:Not to choose here, but to step back and say, o m g. We have a choice. We can rehabilitate our software. Mhmm. And and and so, ironically, just to end of the snow, when you said before that people are saying, the the the price of groceries are high.
Ashok:Right? I can't pay my bills. Right? I'm depressed, you know, and and all the symptoms that we're talking about. And therefore, you know, we we but but what you just said is, but when we this this that's why it's all the more important because people are focused here in the normalized suffering that we urgently need the medicine of seeing the source of a causality of all of that widespread suffering Mhmm.
Ashok:And fragmentation. Mhmm. Right? And, this is why we're passionately we're going to keep bringing out the code education, which is never we never had before. So in this text, what you're saying is that until people, including all our wisdom teachers and keepers and self help gurus and and others and activists who want to solve the problem, until we face the code issue, and we keep pouring it in here.
Näthan:Mhmm.
Ashok:It it's self negating. It's self your cancellation.
Näthan:Mhmm.
Ashok:We've got to face the code crisis and and the code education to see, o m g. They're two different languages. And all our great wisdom teachers and scriptures have been calling us when we keep downloading it here. Mhmm. And our our our best selling authors and teachers and wisdom keepers, you can't pour wisdom here.
Ashok:It shows you're not wise. The essence of wisdom is to see that wisdom is not here. It's been held back by the call of the light of logos and reason and source and science across the planet. People have to get that now.
Näthan:Yes. Yes. Absolutely. And, I will I'll continue to put the, down down below the links to our other channels and our podcasts and and also, to, have private sessions, you know, where I can work wherever you are in the world. We can work one on one just like this, you know, and and really, I can help help you right from where you are are,
Ashok:sort
Näthan:of customize this code education for you and for your life and to help you see how immediate this is for your your own well-being and liberation from suffering, you know, and leaving getting out of the malware tyranny that we're we're all struggling with. I can help you with that one on one. So
Ashok:And I was just echo that tremendously. I mean, you can see from our father, son, you know, interchange over decades, how I viewed Nathan and how he struggled. He is the best life coach imaginable, and I I really support anyone who would like to have first rate of a primary, not as a a first responder, he's a first philosopher, an artist. And he's gone through tremendous struggle to be where he is, his yoga teaching and his life coaching. And if you're if you wish to get a tutorial from him, I strongly urge you to look at get the link and approach him.
Ashok:He'll be happy. He's great as a life coach. And you call the confusion. So let's sign off, not.
Näthan:Alright.
Ashok:And this again Sounds good. Everyone across the planet, we're we're with the human family. We're one, and this is, it is love. This is love medicine, for all the people. Whatever year of the world view or orientation or suffering or whatever.
Ashok:Right? We're not judging. We're saying let's go let's go. Let's let's go from we're immigrants here. We're immigrants in this land, and we need to move and migrate together, to homeland, source land.
Näthan:Mhmm. Well said. Okay.
Ashok:Yeah. Thank you very much, everybody. See you next time. We're we're doing this once a week right now. We're gonna increase Yeah.
Ashok:As source cast, you know, every week breaking the trends. Thanks, Nathan.
Näthan:Thank you, Dan. Appreciate it. Thank you, guys, for listening. We are the people who were promised, told us promised We are the people. Yes.
Näthan:You're welcome to the promised land.
