Where are the ((People))?
Welcome to breaking the trance source cast. This is episode five, where are the people?
Ashok:Welcome, everyone. And, this is the fifth episode in a continuing series of informal, deep dialogue conversations. And and I are having a heart to heart, and we welcome everyone to join us as we think about the deepest issues facing our human family across the planet. Sometimes we turn to The USA example because we happen to be here, but this is not about The USA. It's not about, you know, so called meltdown of democracy or any of the drama that's taking place.
Ashok:It's about human being human. So, Nathan, what's coming up for you? This fifth episode of breaking the trance, we have spent the last four episodes speaking with trance as a, mind operating software, that people have not been aware of. We can't be aware of it. It makes us aware.
Ashok:It gives us information. It gives us content. It gives us feeling. It gives us a psychology and so forth. But we can't see it because we're in it.
Ashok:And the great teachers of the planet and scriptures are calling us somehow to step back, break the circuits. The founding of 1776, we could easily miss it if we're listening to it in here. I'm not seeing the listening to the wisdom of the planet and the the the zeitgeist of the times, that that that God is calling us, that that we the people and so forth. So we saw that there's a trans that's holding humanity across the planet. And our intent is to bring the wisdom and the medicine of source science, the logos science, of rationality, rational light, and power.
Ashok:But everyday we call it the first, there there is one profound unum pur. This is a more perfect unum, not here. This is the demos, the people. Demos from the Greek meaning of the people. Demo demosocracy.
Ashok:Demosocracy. The rule of the people, the consent of the governed, the qualified people, the persons. Not everyday, you know, homo sapiens, just because you're born into the human flesh, it doesn't mean you've matured from being an adolescent stage, matured as a rational being into being a person, a first person, A rational, competent, critical being that can see and mind your minding and realize that that's what ethics and, and being a human and a person, but in animal rights, not automatically everyone here. Yes, you have it here, but you have to earn it in a way by becoming mature as and becoming where are the adults in the room? In this room, where are the adults?
Ashok:So even asking questions like these is not, and I'm I really throw throw them all to you. You what's coming up for you in this drama in the fifth episode of breaking the trends?
Näthan:Well, first of all, I just wanna say I like how you added the the infinity sign at the bottom of the double Notice. At it said it makes sense perfect. It's now complete. It's a complete it's a complete image. It was it was leaking out the bottom.
Ashok:That's right. This is a new if anyone watching here, you see, this is the first time in my life I've done this. I usually do it this way. You know what? Put it here too.
Ashok:So image. Yeah.
Näthan:Most importantly, that's what I'm noticing. But, yeah. So so, you know, obviously well, right now, we find ourselves in the February and of 2025. And, things definitely have this real sense. I mean, I've been feeling there's a sense of accelerating intensity
Ashok:for
Näthan:as long as I can remember, but something feels like it's really exponentially accelerating now. That's a little redundant. Acceleration is exponential, but, it's, it seems to me like it seems like, you know, if it's the Titanic that's sinking, it's past the part where the water is just gushing in the bottom and nobody knows, and now it's more like it's coming into the the living quarters, to put to put to use that analogy. But, you know, thinking about our journey, I love that we chose the name breaking the trance because because to me, that really that really sums up no matter what we're talking about, it's about breaking the trance. What does that mean?
Näthan:Another way of saying that is is pause, everybody stop. You know, everyone's shouting over each other. Pause, everybody stop. Pull yourself out of the the VR goggles here. Take the VR goggles off for a second.
Näthan:We're sucked in. It's like we're that's the trance. We're sucked into the to the to the, fire hose of news and information and disinformation as we've covered in previous, episodes. We're we're we're we're like in trance where our our attention is disoriented. We're we're we're hypnotized into this, space where it does not make us bad people.
Näthan:It makes us, what's the word I'm looking for? Incapacitated. We're incapacitated as a people. You know? You know, when we we talk about democracy, that word gets thrown around so much, but if you just look at the root of it, as you said, dad, the demos, democracy is government of foreign by the people.
Näthan:Demos, where's the people? That's our that's where we really kind of felt the the the energy was today in our in our pre show discussion. The demos, the people. Where are the people? Well, the people are hypnotized, entranced, overwhelmed, scared, panicking, dis disoriented, shattered, separated, siloed.
Näthan:You know, we we're not a people. We're not the Demos right now. We're we're we're incapacitated in on an individual level and then on a on a community level. Of course, you know, we live here in The United States Of America, but this is a global situation.
Ashok:Right. This is important. Yeah. Keep going.
Näthan:Yeah. And and so why we might focus, or or bring in what's going on right here in The United States Of America as a leader supposedly, in in what it means to have a government of and for for and by the people, we're clearly as far from We the People as we can be right now. It's a perfect disunion as you said in our earlier conversation. And,
Ashok:so Go. This is I'd like you to elaborate that, Matt. You're doing very well.
Näthan:Well, that you know, we're we we we started that, the podcast all the way back in, I think, 2021 early twenty twenty one, a perfect union as opposed to a more perfect union because we we realized, you know, that you there's no dot dot dot, ad infinitum to get to per this quote, unquote perfect union. So but we we decided to defy that and say, no. A perfect unum, a perfect union is a is a is a a polis, a people who are united in their diversity as you see on the top of your your hologram there, e pluribus unum unum pluribus. To be to have common ground, to be one people does not mean to be a melting pot. It doesn't mean we're all the same.
Näthan:It's not a homogenization of difference. Actually, it's what enriches the pluribus part of the pluribus in them, the many, the difference, the diversity, the the variety as we see is the the defining characteristic of the universe is difference in diversity and in nature. And and, and so we're it's like humans with all of their capacity and all of their rational powers, which obviously, I mean, we're we're our accomplishments are mind blowing across the spectrum of the human experience, whether it's space travel or medicine or the arts and sciences, music and movies, and and, no, just all of it. We're just we're so advanced in so many ways, but we have not become the demos yet in that upper space in a double bracket sense where we're and that's the problem. See, that's the problem.
Näthan:We're stuck in this shattered, scattered version of the people or the sheeple who we're we're not we're not breaking the trans, stepping back from the VR goggles, hitting pause, and putting what's first first, which is each of our responsibility, just to realize that I'm not automatically granted, you know, rational, balance and, maturity. I'm not automatically an adult. I'm not automatically a a person worthy of voting. I may legally have the right to vote, but are we worthy to vote? And what is that
Ashok:does that mean? That's very good. Same morning. You're doing well. You're on a roll here.
Ashok:Yes. You could be just because you're a homo sapien, it doesn't mean an adult homo sapien is a person. What's a person? A mature rational being, an adult, a rational being. Why?
Ashok:Because we're, we're logos kids. We're rational sapiens. And just as we know that an adolescent or a child is not yet a grownup, people often say, where are the grownups in the room? I will use it when you're sitting and said, sheeple or P E E P L E. This is, we're not trying to be insulting.
Ashok:Persons are sacred. We know that there's God in every person, but to be a mature person, that all the great wisdom of a planet, all the great scriptures, all wisdom, enlightenment, right, is calling us to, mature. Leave the caves, of ignorance because we're we're we're we're our mind is bound by by a degraded form of reason. Irrational, but you have to mature from a, from an objectified, version of mind processing, culture making, self making, politics making, life making, so forth here to a more mature, sacred, I thou in the deep space of. Why?
Ashok:Because on the ground floor of being reality, that's what this is, a feel of being. The feel and and and what what's what's up with that? We could call God Yahweh, Allah, Brahman, to well, we can use different names in our different languages. Mhmm. Science is and the great first philosophers knew that what is first is infinite.
Ashok:If it's infinite, it's. It's infinitely one. That's unknown. So a more perfect union doesn't work here because the the software of the mind fragments and breaks and the and we've had two fifty years in the American lab, but we're talking across the planet. We're talking Middle East.
Ashok:We're talking about Russia. We're talking about India. We're talking about China, Africa, everywhere. The human family, insofar as this powerful Google informationized space, whatever name you use for information, here's the information. Here's the persons, and we got the screen of awareness.
Ashok:We're processing it here under the labor of this. That's a trans, and and it diminishes our personhood. You're you're doing very well. And and so all the great teachers, all Buddha you've seen Buddha's Buddha's breakthrough to source science to get to the the field of of infinite being. He calls it emptiness or zeroness because you can't take these pieces, Lego pieces, and bring them into the logo sphere.
Ashok:So so you have to change your mind operating process to zone it, not to talk about it, not to buy into being an entity, an ID, a separate Lego entity. We we we've said this over and over, God. But but to cross, to break the trans of the software that we haven't seen, to see this takes a great courage and listening to the wisdom of our teachers calling us here, including the founders of seventy seventy six. They They were tapping into the wisdom. They were tapping the logos.
Ashok:Mhmm. Just think of the opening of the declaration. It's not talking here. It's saying whatever in the course of events, evolution, whatever political bands bind us one to another, if it violates our independence, dignity, and freedom, we must separate. That principle of separation echoes across the planet in all the great scriptures.
Ashok:Separate from what? From any unconscious or pre critical conventions and codes, contracts, or social, whatever you wanna say, that holds us in a relationship and creates our institutions in our life. Mhmm. And a great teacher say, this is not the best version of us. If we have The USA culture here and this version of people, are we really mature persons?
Ashok:Are we qual you said it. Are we qualified to be a voter, to be a citizen, to take an oath, to what? To locals, to the to the infinite source, which is what ethics, the laws are here. Any laws that we may have here download, we download everything here. We download scriptures here.
Ashok:We download wisdom here. We download 76 here, seventy seven six here. But what if the call of our wisdom is saying, this is not when we're a full person, a first person. Why? Because we're cut off from what is first.
Ashok:What happens when we make this crossing? Nothing. Right? To go from bound people to free range people. If this is demos, demos are the people.
Ashok:This is the polis, the political space, the republic, the place where dialogue flows. This hologram is showing the map of what we must do now after 250 in the American lab, but all humans across the planet, all humans have to examine, right? Are we persons? Where's a person? A noble free being in ethics of I and thou and the ecology and the sacred space.
Ashok:That's where the moral law comes from. That becomes a person. And when we take an oath, you know, whether it's the constitution or or to the free land or or to any principles, you know, here, you can't take a a real oath and keep it here. Ethics, vows, oaths, devotion, fidelity, faith, ethics. All of that is what a person is.
Ashok:These are the adults. And I'd like to ask with you, where are the where are the people? This is serious. I mean, not just talking about the America, we the people. We're talking about Europe.
Ashok:We're talking about, you know, UK. We're talking about Canada. We're talking about South America. Africa, Asia, India, China, Russia, all across the planet. Mhmm.
Ashok:Even Australia. Where are the people? Yeah. Are we are we first persons?
Näthan:Yeah.
Ashok:Keep going. I'm just elaborating what you I've heard you said, and we've been saying, you know, in our, in line episodes of seventy seven six now, in that version or a more perfect union that you can't have union here. It's clear we can't, we're broken. It's gotten deeper and deeper, the divides and polarization. So what if Abe Lincoln were here or Jesus or Buddha or Krishna, Moses, Mohammed now?
Ashok:And and you ask them a truthful yes or no question. Yes or no? Are we people here in this space cut off from the source of reality, or must we make the all important medical crossing into being a person? Mhmm. Mhmm.
Ashok:The qualified adult in the world.
Näthan:Yes.
Ashok:And we're asking, where are the adults? Where are the people? Where are the where are the? Where are the qualified voters? When you vote, you're using your will to make a decision and to vote to a choice.
Ashok:Who's qualified to vote as a free will to select intelligently, critically, not gullibly, not publicly, not sheepishly. That's what cheaper would be if you're going. But if your mind is captured and colonized by software that we have not seen. It's not we're not making this up. We're saying the great teachers and scriptures have seen it in one way or the other.
Ashok:They didn't have a code marker. They didn't have this hologram. Mhmm. This is bringing to the fore what has been implicit and operating for two hundred fifty five years, two hundred fifty years. I use that as a metaphor.
Ashok:You know, all the great scriptures and wisdom calling us to make a shift. Jesus is speaking from here. I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh unto God, but by this way, the code shift. Mhmm.
Ashok:Jesus is a code, the the logos code speaking, the logos in the flesh. Buddha is the logos code speaking the dharma. Krishna is the own logos code speaking the yoga technology, which is what? To cross from here, Arjuna, broken people, to cross into wholeness, integrity, into deep dialogue, I and thou. This relationship, I, other can't be split.
Ashok:Here, I is split from the other. And we see the other with our lens here in the way our worldview, our belief system, our multiple systems and lenses that we can have to see within the space. There's a powerful software that have boundless narratives and worldviews and disciplines and distinctions. That's amazing. This has been too successful in a way.
Ashok:What not?
Näthan:Oh, I just wanted to to have a moment to speak.
Ashok:I'm I'm kidding. I'm I'm No. I was
Näthan:I was raising my hand for the professor. Okay.
Ashok:Yes. No. Then
Näthan:I have a question. Nelson, please tell me. I need
Ashok:to go on. I I if anyone is viewing our our our private conversation, dive in. Daddy is speaking too much. Shut up, dad. You know?
Ashok:The the recovering he's a recovering professor. Not a recovering
Näthan:professor. I'm a recovering student.
Ashok:I get carried away. So do stop me.
Näthan:No. It's good. Everything you're saying is amazing. I just you know, I was I've been wanting to really, address, you know, for from about episode two or three. Yeah.
Näthan:I think last two episodes, this will be the third. We're using Promise People, the song. The song promise.
Ashok:Your song's amazing song.
Näthan:And, and when I wrote that song, that was what that would have been twenty twenty twenty one somewhere in there in the thick of of all that was going on at the time. Not that it's really led up, but but, you know, I wanted I wanted to just bring in that that point because, you know, obviously, the the the biblical story of the promised land and and wandering the desert forty years, the Jewish people and and all of that, it's not too appropriate that that language or that that symbology, but I think that what everybody at the deepest level, if we go if we go beyond tribalism of any different religion or non religion or race or anything, we're what we keep saying is that this is not just The United States. This is the whole planet. The whole planet is the promised land, potentially.
Ashok:Nice. I like that. And as and
Näthan:as we have as we have, you know, explored in a couple, on, I think, episode two about about is anything sacred. Okay? And I think that's one of the main ways that I would differentiate between the two spaces that you're showing down there. And that I it space where everything is not just the other person is objectified. You're objectifying yourself and and nature's objectified and everything's objectified.
Näthan:You know, look at look at climate change in that in that lens, for example. It's like, of course, we're gonna be we're gonna be hurting our environment. We're objectifying it. We objectify everything. We're not treating reality as sacred.
Näthan:It's all the promised land. The promised land is not a a spot on the geography on the map. This the promised land is right here no matter where you are. But in order to be in the promised land, we have to become the promised people. That's what that song is about.
Näthan:That opens and closes.
Ashok:It's a great song. It should be an anthem for the human family. It should be.
Näthan:I've been dying to say that for a while because I just don't want it to be mistaken as some kind of, cultural or ethnic anthem, but it's it's, what I'm doing is saying we are all potentially the promised people and everywhere is potentially the promised land. And breaking the trans is about going from that objectifying of the other and everything on ourselves, that software, that malware, get breaking the trans is getting is the anti malware thing, that we're doing here. So it's like an education. It's a practice. It's a it's a it's a twenty four seven practice of of stepping back from that that grip of the single bracket space, the objectified space that puts us all into a kind of fight flight freeze sort of space where we are incapacitated to actually make this world better.
Näthan:Because while there are evildoers and evil people, and I do believe that every person holds the sacred seed within them, the sacred light of of of of source or what whatever you wanna call that. But I think most people are inherently good. What we want to come we don't wanna be self destructing as we clearly are. We don't wanna be divided down the middle. We don't wanna go to civil war.
Näthan:We don't want to kill each other. Yes. There's people that do, but I think overall, we're all wanting to raise rise to that higher space. And we can't get out of that lower space where we think everything is that well, then whose opinion is gonna win? Whose ideology is gonna win?
Näthan:Whose narrative is gonna win? And we can't see that there's a space that's deeper and higher than ideologies and opinions. And so when we can start to I'm asking the question as I throw it back to you. What is it gonna take in the in the fight fight flight freeze panic that seems to be slowly ramping up all the time and now more and more quickly? And we know that when the nervous system is in that is in that space, we're not able to hear.
Näthan:We're not able to listen. We're we're we're in panic. You know? That's what they say. Everybody stay calm, single file.
Näthan:You know? It's like because if you don't get a hold of that panic, there's no it's just chaos, and and we we become our own most destructive force. So what I'm asking you as I throw it back to you is having said that okay. Everywhere is the promised land. The whole planet is the promised land.
Näthan:Every person is the potential promised person who is a citizen, a true citizen of that sacred space. What is it going to take to sort of to arrest the panic and to to pause it to everybody? Step back. Deep breath. Where we are most powerful is right where we sit or right where we stand in that in that making that continuous shift into the into sacred space right where we are, and to help each other all rise in that space, and to opt out of the insanity that is all around us.
Näthan:Because we can fill the streets and protest, and that may well be what happens. But if we all fill the streets, but we're still in the mind of prison, and we haven't emancipated ourselves from mental slavery as Bob Marley would say, then then what are we doing? We're just it's it'd be like a like a zombie protest. We don't wanna be zombies protest, and we wanna be persons. So I'm that's the question that really engages me right now.
Näthan:Like, what's it gonna take to break the trance by way of saying, woah, Neli, everybody. Pause and breathe and listen because it's right here, and we do hold the power. The people hold the power, but not the sheeple.
Ashok:Alright. Thank you. This thank you for that question. That's quite a question. But, you know, this is it's in a way, it's been addressed for millennia.
Ashok:If you if you stopped and asked Jesus or Moses or Buddha or Krishna, that's just to mention a few, Mohammed. Right? Any of the geniuses, the first responders who are trying to get us to what's first. And also the urgency of leaving a place of suffering and human existential breakdown and all the pathologies of nihilism, skepticism, you you know, lack of having, understanding deep critical awareness, not to be a critical thinker, but to be gullible and hackable and and so forth. And narcissism and and suicidal ideation.
Ashok:All of the pathologies are going on by being cut off from the that the great wisdom keepers would say, when you say pause, how do you go from here, immersed here to there? How do you go from here to there? I I just, again, brought this up. Here, everyone here, isn't it? Here's a hologram, but you're being held.
Ashok:That's why this is a the infinite source of presence. Whether you call it God or logos or Sophia or all or Brahman, Srinita, you know, whatever name that you the Buddha down
Näthan:there. Yeah.
Ashok:Yeah. Whatever you call it. Right? It's holding us. Being, we cannot be without being.
Ashok:But if we are colonized in our derivative form of reason and language by software that we don't know yet. How do we break this barrier? How do we break this barrier? All the ways of when we do, we're we're being held here. So everyone is already here.
Ashok:So how do we do this? Your question is, how do we see if we don't see that we're in a software that holds us captive and colonizes colonizes our life, we're already hacked. And in the way, Buddha would say consensual, folks. It's consensual, and maybe involuntary, but we have a choice. People always say we have a choice.
Ashok:What is it that the Buddha's forced over truth is you have a choice? Well, we can step back and see this, become critical, make it we can step we can when you say, step back. Be silent. Time out. Step back.
Ashok:But, you know, what the seventy seventy six founders in the first opening line of the declaration says whatever, arrangements we have politically, if you're that if it's holding us and cutting us off from our sacred, dignified independence, that's independence. This is this is imprisonment. We have to be free people. We have to become a demos to be a democracy. So we have a choice.
Ashok:So what does that mean? A critical thinker pause reason, the journey of reason from derivative Reason, adolescent reason to mature deep dialogue. Yeah. Human reason. I'm going to be human here to mature adult person.
Ashok:So people are persons. That's a big deal to be a person. It's a irrational free agent. How do you do that? You're asking.
Ashok:And I'm saying, if we invite you to our great for example, first thinkers, like Buddha and Krishna and Moses and Jesus and Mohammed, you you know, allowed to and not just to mention a few. Right? And they would look at the political situation on the planet across the human family, suffering under this uncritical, you know, colonized form of being a a present human to become free, what would they say to break your trans? As you I think they'd call from a Lego strike, a code strike.
Näthan:Yeah.
Ashok:They would call for a code strike. Mhmm. Stop. When you say if there's some people are saying in The USA right now, and I'm and we may be, but I'm just pointing to The USA for a moment. But I can imagine this to every nation and group of people around the planet.
Ashok:Where it's like, stop. Stop. Pause. I'm out. Turn off the channel.
Ashok:Turn off the screen. Turn off the software. Stop. Protest. It's a consciousness boycott, a cold cut.
Ashok:Mhmm. Not a boycott. Who cares what boys? Stop the cold. Look at it.
Ashok:Stop that. Imagine let's let's use the American lab again. Instead of calling for an economic freeze, don't buy anything today. Right? Nice.
Ashok:You should you know what? These are some of these protesting with with a kind of panic. Things are bad. It's falling apart. The civil war deepens.
Ashok:We don't feel empowered. Where's the consent of the government? It doesn't matter anymore. We're not free people. We're not people.
Ashok:You know, when people say, if you're gullible and trapped and and colonized, if we're colonized, if the human family is colonized, how do we face it? We don't see it because we're seeing here. Under the code, it makes us see. So how do we see the code? That's the critical term.
Ashok:Mhmm. You can't you there's not information to talk about it. Narrate it here. But sort of a meditation art is to be mindful. Mhmm.
Ashok:All your key is be mindful. That's That's when you start to go to become a person, an adult. From being pre mindful, unmindful to mindful. What's that? You're checking out your software.
Ashok:You say, wow, this has been leading my culture. This has been leading my life for generations. My religious life, my political life, my love life, my family life, my children, education, disciplines, my science, everything here. So your question is amazing. What would our great leaders, elders say, including if we got Jefferson and a few of the other founders, men and women who founders, our founding fathers and mothers here in the room with Jesus, Buddha, Mosaic, and I said, please give us some advice.
Ashok:What do you see? I know you speak different languages and all that. Right? But I think they would agree. I suggested this ten, fifteen years ago to a very high level group called evolutionary leaders.
Ashok:Right? Reformed. And I was one of the cofounding persons with them. So very impressive thought leaders, best selling authors, and so forth. Evolutionary leaders.
Ashok:Right? What is the evolution? It's not in here. We're conscious of evolution. It's not being conscious here.
Ashok:It's being conscious of this. And I said, at one point, there was an attempt to think if you went to Washington and got funded, what would we do in protest? And I, you know, very quietly suggested with a colleague, call Allego code strike. An ego strike, Allego strike. Lego meaning the, the, the, the culture in which we're breaking everything into Lego pieces, not logos flow and community.
Ashok:Imagine in the American life, people realizing, okay, let's listen to to Nathaniel, not him. Right? Forget about me. Okay? I I'm I'm what do you call those older generation people?
Ashok:You're you're
Näthan:You're a boomer. Oh, you're a total boomer. Yeah.
Ashok:I'm a total boomer. And you're a bloomer. Okay?
Näthan:No. I think I'm a boomer too, actually.
Ashok:Okay. Yeah. Okay. You're yeah. I mean, we're we're saying to the young kids that I'm teaching and have for college, you know, for all these decades is the the gen z need to now become Zen g.
Ashok:Wow. That really gets them. The Zen generation. What what is Zen mindful? Grow up, kids.
Ashok:Come on. Right? You can get all the education information here. You know, graduate. Yeah.
Ashok:Okay. Keep it going. Keep the machine going. But your point is what does it take to break the trans? You gotta see it.
Ashok:So when you say, let's stop everything. If I were, you know, in terms of it's not activism here. It's active vision. Active vision is opening up a global hologram lens of the wisdom of the planet and scriptures. Right?
Ashok:Where you say, wow. They're not separated silos, all of these great scriptures and wisdom and likeness across our planet. They're held together by the infinite word, the source of the infinite word, whatever your name is. You know, all the god words come from here. Or even the not god words.
Ashok:This is the unified field of being. The field of being. Ontology is science. This is science we're talking about now. Mhmm.
Ashok:Source science, medical science. Why is it the medical? Because it's seen that we're suffering here. Mhmm. Debrigative people, colonized people.
Ashok:Right? I'm not free, and we're suffering, and we don't know how to diagnose it. We need a deeper science diagnostic to see it. And what would you do then? Everyone stop.
Ashok:Stop. Let's have a a code strike. Try it. That is not just don't buy anything. Right?
Ashok:That's that's this is very laudable, but it's not gonna do. Right? It's not gonna get us to go from from a derivative form of people because what's the ultimate human revolution and evolution is to become people, to become free range in the open space, to break this barrier, to decolonize. And this is the Bless you. We've got to see the code and decode and freeze.
Ashok:And one of the greatest, most potent political acts, and this is the point that came out in our pre conversation. People here are impotent, ultimately, in this respect. Colonize and we neutralize. We don't have the power. And what do we realize?
Ashok:We are powerful. Many people say that. What scares us is not only tiny and small Lego units, but but we're noble and powerful.
Näthan:Yeah. Yeah. And have
Ashok:the power. When that happens not across the planet, then we're in the promised land, and we realize it's not geography. The Earth here is rather constrained, but the earth, the trans earth, the human space, it's not geography. It's holography. It's ontology, it's being, it's literacy.
Ashok:It's coming into the logos, becoming the first version of ourselves. Let's become people. And then we are the power. What power? This is powerful.
Ashok:Don't mess with it. Yeah. With Yahweh or Allah or Brahman or Om or Taq. No. You can't.
Ashok:You get fried. So we're we're hiding. It's it's scary to become a person.
Näthan:In the best way possible. Yes. It's scary.
Ashok:When you think of the implications now, I wanna throw this back to you. Right? If if there are two versions of culture and becoming human, and here we're we're preliterate in a way, and here we are tapped into the logos code, the rational code of critical thinking. We're mature rational beings now. We can take an oath.
Ashok:We can be a free thinking consent of the governed here. Mhmm. Right? If that's the case, think about it for a moment. What does it mean about immigrants?
Ashok:Who are the immigrants? Who's going to migrate? Who's is mass deportation? And what is having a passport to go from this port, right, and to have the code to to shift out of this into the free land, source land of the people across the planet? Mhmm.
Ashok:To discover the sacred earth
Näthan:To get natural lands. Yeah.
Ashok:It's not land. I show them all to you. I'm I'm speaking to a lot. You're following up. Yeah.
Ashok:Do I ask am I addressing your point?
Näthan:Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. I I love the the code to strike. You know?
Näthan:Because that's what I wanna say. Like, we don't wanna keep on doing single bracket activism and, activism from a disempowered space, a desource of space is is dead in the water. And so it's the the the the intentions may be so right, but, gosh, it's like it's almost like a it's almost like a trap door effect or like a secret, it doesn't we're trying to make it not secret, but it's like a, a loophole in the system, you know, to before when we keep on putting our we keep on putting the the things out there first, but without without breaking the trance. And so yeah. Absolutely.
Näthan:I mean, I love this idea of the code strike, this ego strike, and and
Ashok:and Ego. Ego strike. Yeah.
Näthan:Ego strike. You know? In other words, stop being a LEGO. Stop being a piece. Stop being an objectified unit because you can put a bunch of LEGOs together and connect them, but it's just inherently breakable and separatable.
Näthan:There's a deeper space of connection. There's a deeper we the people that is unbreakable, that that requires all of us to instead of, like you said earlier, we download it all to where we are. We download it all into the Google information space. When we say Google, by the way, we're not dissing on Google. We're just you know, because Google is such a, it's synonymous with the information age of being able to look up any
Ashok:We're honoring we're honoring it as being, you know, the technology that accelerated the information. We're not Yeah. You can you can putting this down. We're not keeping this down. Yeah.
Näthan:Yeah. But can you can you Google can you Google happiness? No. You can't you can't Google happiness. You know?
Näthan:You can't Google well-being. You can't Google God in the deepest sense. You can't Google yoga. You can't Google We The People. In other words, there's a deeper space that is not information based, and we're so used to pulling it down, downloading as opposed to upgrading.
Näthan:You know?
Ashok:I like that. Yeah.
Näthan:That's, you know, to to I want I wanna kinda get that idea. Oh my gosh. We're we're still downloading. We're still trying to and we're downloading democracy, and we're even downloading things like peace and love and and all these things that we revere. But what it requires is a deep a deep, letting go, which a moment ago when you said it's scary and I said in the best possible way.
Näthan:You know? Yes. We we wanna say when we say scary, you wanna say it's powerful. It's there's something that you gotta let go of. There's there's, a passage.
Näthan:There's a letting go, a shedding, you know, getting humble. These things are scary to us. When we found our safety, ironically, the thing that's keeping us feeling safe is actually what's suffocating us and asphyxiating us and and is creating the the sense of danger is what we we've come to know as familiar and safe. And so there's in that sense, in letting go of the fear is scary. But Interesting.
Näthan:In the best possible way. So so yeah. That's that was
Ashok:classic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No.
Ashok:You're you're doing really well.
Näthan:I just you're finding your true self. You're finding your you're rising to the space of love. It's what you've always wanted. You just didn't know that that's what you wanted. You got you got distracted by the shiny objects, good and bad, you know, in front of you and behind you.
Näthan:We're running towards and running from and we're we're we're not happy here. And and we haven't realized that happiness is direct access to our true selves and Well-being.
Ashok:Happiness is well-being. Yes. Happiness is
Näthan:Imagine the people en masse getting that. Yeah.
Ashok:Right. And the great teacher said, this is life. Yeah. And there's something about being cut off from source of life that brings a kind of that your meter's running out, dying, death.
Näthan:Mhmm.
Ashok:Your aging, falling apart. And but Jesus said, for example, is saying, I am the life. I'm the way. I'm the truth. And Krishna is saying, this is life when you join me.
Ashok:Arjuna, when you come and join me in yoga, technology, and cross over. It'll save you
Näthan:from great harm. Yeah.
Ashok:Yeah. From great harm. And Socrates, when you leave the cave and come into the logos to know thyself. It's scary to be opening up to the light. All the great teachers knew this.
Ashok:You don't write the name of God. You don't you don't write it in this language. Don't don't download the infinite into the finite. We're we're controlling it. We're control freaks.
Ashok:Mhmm. Predicted to the to as you said, we we we think we have, familiarity and safety and control. We're controlling the game. No. You're not.
Ashok:Mhmm. The sea's melting down and deconstructing in front of you. The walls are crumbling down. Mhmm. And there's a reason scientifically, medically, it's it's it's to me, it's gonna happen because this is gonna crumble.
Ashok:It's gonna That's AI.
Näthan:Everyone's talking about the AI that we created. You know? But AI can already in the AI. Yeah.
Ashok:AI here cannot get you there. Yeah. This is free. This is when you're in the deeper or dilated global global lens of intelligence and rationality and rational life and rational capacity. What we're saying is enormous.
Ashok:I think maybe now in the next episode six, we might talk about what is it to be an immigrant? In The USA lab, for instance, we're all immigrants except the first peoples, but everyone is an immigrant in the sense that if you haven't made this right of passage into the free land to be first people here, these are the first people. Where are they? So in this episode, we said, where are the people? Who are, and where are the people?
Ashok:Where's the demos? If demos here, it has, it can't be a demosocracy. The demos are, are material persons, adults in the room. Which room? This room.
Ashok:Not adolescents. We're not putting out adolescents. We're recognizing adolescents have to grow up and become mature for primary beings and all the great philosophers says tap me. If you're, this is unbeing, this is pre being, this is unbeing, come to full being, which is what well-being, Happiness. Life, flourishing, love, ethics, dialogue, science, all that.
Ashok:Mhmm. Democracy. So there are two USAs.
Näthan:Sounds pretty good.
Ashok:USA here. USA. Yeah. So in Martin Luther King Or
Näthan:any country. Yeah.
Ashok:Yeah. Or any country. Right? Yeah. Or liberty, equality, fraternity, the French revolution.
Ashok:Mhmm. All the people. When Gandhi is attempting to liberate India, the people of India, and it got broken, it split. Right? Something happened.
Ashok:Mhmm. We we couldn't yet make it. Even though the resources of Indian wisdom and source science, Vedic science and and brutal science are so profound. And yet it's been downloaded in the wrong place mostly. Is it the people have to migrate everyone across the planet are now on Ellis Island.
Ashok:We better stop. Now now think about that.
Näthan:Yeah.
Ashok:Have we have we gained the right of citizenship and personhood and the capacity to take an oath of office to the constitution, which is not here. The constitution, the declaration is calling us here. That's where the people in The USA. I'm using The USA example. But liberty, equality, fraternity, the French revolution.
Ashok:If you say it here, you haven't done it. All of our attempted human revolutions, right, laboring within the space have not been able to cross together into the sacred earth. Yeah. We haven't discovered we haven't discovered the planet.
Näthan:Yeah.
Ashok:So climate change is not titanic to this Earth, but becoming Earth full.
Näthan:Yeah. Yeah.
Ashok:Anyway, I I I think we're lost track of time now. Who I was just gonna
Näthan:say I think it's a perfect place to to wrap it for today. That was that was awesome. I really enjoyed that.
Ashok:I love the way you dance with that. It is really Okay. Work. I'm sorry if I get carried away.
Näthan:No. We we keep each other in check. It's good.
Ashok:Okay. Thank you. But again, not not that we want everyone across the planet to join us in this journey with love and attention. And we're calling a planetary code strike. Everybody step back for a moment.
Ashok:Stop. Stop and listen. Stop, look, and listen. Open your mind. Open your ears.
Ashok:Open your heart. You have a heart. But your heart here has got some obstructions in it. Yeah. The the heart mind is here.
Ashok:I'll I'll I'll put a
Näthan:link to my, to my music site. Well, I guess I can't link to. But I I invite you to check it out and go listen to the full song, of you know what I should do is I should have my lyrics on my website. I'm gonna work on that. But, you know, you can listen.
Näthan:You can hear a lot of the songs, but promise to people, I want you to listen to that in light of what we've done today. And and Good. And we invite you to join us in this in this deeper, deeper kind of uprising, more immediate That's why you
Ashok:call it human up human up. Yeah. Human up, you know, of TV and all that human up. Become go from this version of the human to the material, fulfilled your well-being human.
Näthan:Yes.
Ashok:Enjoying rights of life, liberty, well-being.
Näthan:Yes. Thank you. Thanks, Ted.
Ashok:Thank you, Nathan. And, I I just wanna say in closing to all anyone who's listening in on this, please consider checking out Nathan for personal or small group life coaching in this literacy. It's life and it's life and death. It's important. He's a master coach.
Ashok:So he'll give you a link. I'll put the link in. If if you're if you're interested, I I'm giving him, you know, an endorsement with all my heart because he's been doing this for years. He's a first philosopher. He sings from this place.
Ashok:He brings lyrics from this place. He teaches yoga from this place, and he coaches from this place. He's a master teacher. So if you're interested in learning and getting, you know, the, the code education with him and to and to to go on a code strike and upgrade your life. I I endorse, Nalton.
Ashok:Please sign up with him for private tutorials.
Näthan:Thank you. Thank you. And I'll just add to that that, you know, it's not something where you're getting new information. It's something it's more like you already have this in you. It's just eclipsed and it's blocked and and it's like opening up.
Näthan:I can help you find your access code to your higher self if you wanna put it that way. Your your true nature, your true self, your free self, and and that's really invaluable. So if that interests you again, just just, click on the link below and and, come check it out. I'd love to work with you. Even if you're not local to where I am, we can we can work anywhere in the world, on online.
Näthan:So This
Ashok:is a call to all the people across the planet. When we say people, we mean all the people of the planet. You and family.
Näthan:Yeah.
Ashok:Across all borders. That's what we're talking about.
Näthan:Again. Alright. Thank you,
Ashok:guys. Next
Näthan:time. Promise
