((Breaking)) the /Trance/ ((Source cast)) | Ep. 3 ~ ((/Mind/)) Maketh ((/Media/))
Source Media Network presents Breaking the Trance SourceCast. Episode 3, Mind Maketh Media.
Ashok:Well, now that this is a third, spontaneous impromptu, session of the series that we're in the that we promised to reach out to, a global audience around the planet, all the human family. Everyone's welcome. Whatever your orientation or disorientation, you're welcome. We wanna do because we see this as a life and death kind of, exploration and in a in a fun spirit, a joyous spirit because the great news is the greatest story never told is that we finally have, as never before, the code breakthrough. As representative of the hologram behind me that we've brought up in the first two episodes.
Ashok:And we're seeking to listen to what's the zeitgeist, so to speak. The spirit of the times, what's going on. And, and respond spontaneously without any curriculum or planning or anything. But you and I, over this over a decade of daily dialogues, you and I, spontaneous. We all said, why don't we call when no one's listening?
Ashok:And that's a great for a, source cast from the source. And we're we introduce those ideas in the first two. So this is the 3rd, and although we don't have it open for a time for streaming for the public to check-in yet. Once a week, we're doing this in a spontaneous, fun way to deal with the most pressing issues, you you know, affecting the the the thriving survival and sustainability of the human family. It's that profoundly existential and the greatest story never told.
Ashok:And source media, which is we have media as we know it. But then, we we need to go to where all the great first teachers across the scriptures are speaking from a deep deeper, media. You know, and and the mind maketh the media, as you pointed out. So, you know, I thought that might be a great topic to just play with right now because it's so profound, and so much comes out of media. Media is language.
Ashok:It's a it's a place of our culture. It's a it's a public space. And, and we were playing a profound role in it, and people are deeply concerned about the pernicious effect of media and AI. Purnicious meaning the harmful effects that would have, especially on the kids. But everyone's going into rabbit holes and getting captured and disinformation, information, you know, where's the truth?
Ashok:Is there any truth that all these issues are in our face now? So I wanted to just hear from you, what do you think we should focus on in this 3rd episode? By the way, to to anyone who's joining us for the first time, this one. The 2 prior launching of this source media, Sourcecast, not podcast, but Sourcecast. They're recorded and you get the reference on how to get back to the archive.
Ashok:And weekly, every time we do one, we're gonna have it archived. So you can always go back and follow the link. Naldo, what do you think?
Näthan:Yeah. Well, we've been talking about this one for a long time and from many different angles and many different ways. But, I mean, when you think about media, I mean, that word gets kinda it's a it's definitely a blanket term, that people use. A lot of times people think of media, they think of media, they think of the news, like mainstream media, or or or things like that. But in in its most grand sense, media is the whole enchilada.
Näthan:Like it's the it's the internet, it's all of the social, networks, it's all the TV, it's all cable, it's all everything, it's all this. And the word media sounds like the medium. It's the medium that pervades in all of our technology. I mean, and before before there was any technology, even before written word even or written symbols, there was language. Language is the medium.
Näthan:It's There
Ashok:you are.
Näthan:You know? So what we've seen in the last however many thousands of years since we developed the technology of of language and writing and then and then, you know, electronics and computers, and, you know, printing printing press, of course, came way before. But, you know, and and just you think of it as a sort of this evolution of the medium of language and communication, and the transmission of ideas, the promulgation of ideologies through cultures and across the planet. And, I mean, in in the way, media is everything. Everything.
Näthan:The media is everything. But it's
Ashok:ancient media on the on the k vals.
Näthan:Yeah. Media language. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
Näthan:So obviously, it's grown mind blowingly sophisticated now, and we've got such incredible technology. But I think we take it for granted as though it is neutral. And I think that's kind of what one of the things we wanted to zero in on is, is media neutral? Or is media, very much a function of our consciousness and vice versa? It goes kinda goes both ways.
Näthan:So media
Ashok:You know, that that media, you know, whatever language, the space of language, the the mind maketh media, but media maketh the mind. You you know, we we say manners maketh man. You know, in a way, if if you play off of that, the media where what our mind operating process, the technology of using our minds to make our language and our meaning in our world is a is a space of media. And our minds play a role. And what you're saying beautifully, it's not just neutral.
Ashok:It's already, you know, oriented towards, our our our gaslight. We gaslight media. We make it. We play a role in the nature of media. So media in, the derivative culture is not the same as media, when, you know, the the first responders of history, the great wisdom mind, so to speak, are using language and media.
Ashok:They're speaking a deeper media. Source media, we're calling this a source, source cast, is a deeper form of media because you have to have a an awakened mindfulness to enter mindful media or just a common sense ordinary media. Right? So I'm just augmenting what you just beautifully said.
Näthan:Yeah. Yeah. So so We
Ashok:play a
Näthan:role What's that?
Ashok:We play a role in shaping media as well as media shapes us.
Näthan:Absolutely. And and the audacity for us to say we're doing source media. But it's it's, it's based on so much research and and and standing on the shoulders of all these wisdom greats who have all been in the media of our history, all compartmentalized and
Ashok:put in silos and separated.
Näthan:And we're we're because of your breakthrough with the code, the and separated, and we're we're because of your breakthrough with the code, the the code markers and understanding the two dimensions of language, the two dimensions of being, the the two softwares, the two forms of media, that's that's why it's so source media requires that code sensitivity that's ever present. That's why we have this hologram up in the background, always to remind us of this too that we're surfing 2 dimensions. And and well, you could
Ashok:see of language.
Näthan:Of language, of media, of being, of everything. Everything is and we're we're we're conflated, meaning we're squished. Like, we've got we've got our higher self, if you wanna call it that, our our our, you know, our greatest manifestation of who we are, you know, in the wings, they are waiting, but we're all suffering with our smaller selves in the in the in the lower media space. So, I just wanna reiterate when we say media, remember, think of media not just as, like, television and Internet and but it's television and Internet are part of a much bigger medium of transmission and communication that we're all, part participating in. As our language evolves and our technology evolves and and it's like we're it's it's all on steroids, so it's all moving so darn fast.
Näthan:Everything's coming at us in in little mind bites. Right? So everything's in these little mind bites, whether it's the video that you're the videos that you're scrolling through or the TikToks or the or the, you know, Facebook posts or Instagrams. Everything is box, box, box, box, silo, silo, silo, silo. All the different channels, all the different, mindsets and ideologies and religions and non religion and, oh my gosh, and we're just all overwhelmed and we're we're we're bombarded, we're fried with with the single bracket media.
Näthan:Because there's nothing there's no deeper coherence, so we don't know what to believe. And so it seems like it's just one big shit show of opinions. And it's like, okay, choose this eclectic blend of whatever you want from all these different sources flying at us. We're we're getting so not only getting fried, but we're getting numb to the fact that we're fried. And now we're just kind of almost like zombie ish, you know.
Näthan:So the kids, the adults, everybody. I was at my gig last night. I had a show. I had a concert last night at a local bar. And, before the show, I went outside to just sit by the fire and the the beautiful sunsets going down.
Näthan:Oh, my gosh. The colors in the sky. Everything is just beautiful, and there's about 4 Sedona.
Ashok:We're in Sedona. Yes.
Näthan:Yeah. Oh, yes. In Sedona. Oh, it was so beautiful. And I'm just sitting there.
Näthan:The fire is going. This is so nice. And then I'm looking around, and, you know, there's nothing new, of course, but it just was it was just like, wow. It really is like this now. Every single person was on their phone.
Näthan:Even when the people were together, they weren't together. And, you know, it's it's, the the effects are insidious, and yet it's all happening so fast that I feel like we're simultaneously, desensitizing to it at the same rate. So we're like we're just we're just so quickly slipping into fragmented media, which is creating our fragmentation within our own minds, fragmentation between all of us, everyone more or less vying for attention, and it's just one big shit show, and I'm not gonna apologize to say that. It's a big shit show, and it's toxic, and we're fried, and we're tired, and we don't know what to believe. And so how dare we say source media?
Näthan:No. You know? Well, that's what that's what I wanna go for in this. Why is this different? What are we doing here that's different?
Ashok:And I'd like to pick a take a finish up now. No need
Näthan:to I'm I'm pitching it back with that. You know, what's it what's it gonna take for us to because because I wanna, at the same time, make sure that, it doesn't seem like I'm just flatly putting down and putting it all down. What I think is that all the technology that we have and all of the breakthroughs are amazing. And I would even go so far as to say sacred, harkening back to episode 2, the last episode. It's sacred, but I think it's being the the the media the single bracket media effect, the silo media effect has got it by the balls, and it's and and we're we're we're really suffering from there being a a complete lack of coherence and union in a deeper sense, for all of us.
Näthan:And that that also speaks to what's what's true. What do you believe? You can't believe anything that's coming at you. Who do you listen to? Do you listen to the, you know, left wing media, the right wing media?
Näthan:You just throw it all out? You just take whatever comes on your YouTube feed that's fed by the algorithms. We're we're so lost. And so I sense a sense of almost like a desperation, but also a sort of resignation amongst people. And I think that that's where my passion comes from.
Näthan:How do we take all this sacred technology, this beautiful beautiful powerful technology where we can connect? I was just talking to my cousin in India in Goa just the other day. We're messaging back and forth, and it's just, like, amazing to me that she's basically on the other side of the planet, and her voice is just so crystal clear. That's kinda old news, but I'm still marveling at it. It's incredible, the technology.
Näthan:How do we take it, dad? How do we take it how do we upgrade where we are, not throw the baby out with the bath water? How do we how do we, bring the media space to a to a higher level, to source media? So I I know I kind of covered a couple points there, but that's closely tied into the point about truth and what do we believe.
Ashok:Yeah. That's beautifully done, Mel. I'd like to just pick up on some of those strands. There are many powerful themes you brought up, and I like to kind of back up a little bit and help any especially any newcomers to this session who missed the first two where we were at great pains to talk about. What does this mean?
Ashok:And you said that where we are in a culture, in the red zone, so to speak, it's opinion. It's broken. It's it's Lego pieces. It's units. It's separate.
Ashok:It's fragmented. It's polarized. Despite all of the many different worlds, you know, in this red zone, this is software. You know, it's a profound it's a logic. It's grammar.
Ashok:It's a software. It's operating system of the mind that controls us. Here we are, the person, I or we, and community here. And this is the space of a consciousness where we think and see the world, and the world is here. And we don't realize the lens we have here, the person that you know, the lens that we're using within this space, it has a has a a story, a narrative, reality, experience, emotions, feelings, psychological relations, politics, all religious life, all going on under the sway of the software that we don't yet see clearly, but it controls our minds and the media.
Ashok:This is a media screen. So this is one space of media. And you said something that came out in our first two episodes was not in terms of truth. But in this space, I have a a narrative. Right?
Ashok:If I'm having a biblical lens and I have a biblical narrative, then let's say Moses, bought the law or Jesus is my lord or Allah, you know, surrendered to Allah. And that's all going on here. And therefore, they're different narratives. And if I have a big a big band narrative, scientific, physics narrative, I'm a physics world. If I have a Newton, let's have a Newton narrative.
Ashok:If I have an Einstein that shifts and gives me different narratives, and these are different world views and belief systems. Because a narrative that I say yes to, I can say yes or no with my with my judgments and my will and subscribe and buy in. So if I have a scientific, understanding, for example, and I have a Christian understanding or a Muslim whatever it is, those are different narratives. And what you say, well, what is true? Which one is true?
Ashok:They all have their own truth. Which narrative are you in? When you switch narratives, if you go from a a Judeo Christian worldview to a secular in the world of Buddha or the world of Lamptu or African modes of thought or feminist modes of thought, you change your narrative. You change your world. You change your facts.
Ashok:So what's effect in the biblical, lens is not effect in the scientific physics, lens. And so that in this space, since there is no common ground, there is no unifying force. Mhmm. We don't have now. We don't have a profound unifying logos.
Ashok:In the beginning as a word, infinite source, what is it for? What's the deepest source? We've brought the software forward now. But I'm just trying to rehearse what you said is, while what if everyday human culture is going on here under the sway of the software that we have in the exam is a powerful code that's given us the plus minus binary logic of all the logics we have, including cyber logic. That's one of the gifts.
Ashok:And we know from the great first responders who have been listening and responding across the planet with you know, Moses listening to the in his dialogue with God. Jesus, the longest in the flesh, surrendered Allah. On centuries later, Rumi, the great mystical poet in the Islamic tradition is saying, there's a field beyond judgment of right and wrong. Meet me there. What's up?
Ashok:These are first responders speaking from source where? When Jesus is speaking strange, I'm the way, the truth, and life. Right? No man cometh unto God except this way. Right?
Ashok:That's a different language. That that's a source source where when Buddha say the noble truth, the four noble truth, there are no truth here. Truth here, small t, is I got my truth. Jesus is my lord. Or I'm I'm a mosaic persuasion.
Ashok:I follow Moses or I follow Buddha or I follow yoga or whatever you have here. You that is opinion. Why? Because it's true because you you vote on it. It's your will that's deciding what is true.
Ashok:And since there are many different perspectives and many different opinion, it becomes opinion. It doesn't become truth. What makes opinion truth? A great teacher saw that this is not going to be the grounded truth when you tap into the what's first by whatever name. We're using the Greek word logos now.
Ashok:Not here, not logos Greek, but logos that in the source science. What source science? All the great traditions that were fit hitherto in silos. Here's Moses. Here's Jesus.
Ashok:Here's, Buddha. Here's yoga. Here's science. Here and all of the in their silos and all the great teachers, they're all in there. Why silos?
Ashok:Because this technology gives ASE, gives it separate identity. When you have an identity, you become a Lego piece. When you're a Lego piece, you got separation. If I'm a Lego piece, I'm a Lego sapien, not a logo sapien. What's the difference?
Ashok:When you go into the deep space of source, the fundamental field, the unified field. Why is it unified? Because on the ground floor, whatever name you use for the infinite, it's infinitely 1. It's infinite unity with infinite diversity, and you can't break it. You can't divide it, and, therefore, everything is interwoven.
Ashok:And if you can be in that space and have the software to handle the zone of connectivity and flow of ethics and well-being and flourishing, being human here or being human there. That's when you get the ground floor of truth. Without, if there is no axiom, that's what this is, infinite unifying force that grounds all narratives because no narrative can be without being. Nothing can be without being. This is based on being, reality, the infinite word, the source of all narratives, of all world views, of all scriptures.
Ashok:It can be busted. Even though we siloed it, nothing can be outside of it downloading from the source. So this software is profoundly interconnected. It's I and thou. Everything is interwoven.
Ashok:This is the love space. This is the ethic space. You don't mess with your other because if you mess with your other, you mess with yourself because you can't split. But here, I am it. When you said it's an it show, you didn't actually say that.
Ashok:You I think you're right. If you make yourself an it, you objectify. If you make the other it, you objectify him, her, nature, whatever it is. And once you objectify, there's already a form of violence. Mhmm.
Ashok:And to to process ourselves in that space, this space in which we do, and I got my ID. Right? So I'm a a a a bundle of subjects and predicates that makes me my who am I? That's my ID. So I make myself an x without knowing that there's a deeper meaning and that every x is x.
Ashok:So that's a rehearsal of what went on before. The greatest story never told is finally to see, wow, we can't get what is first here. This is derivative. So even the 70 76ers, that were laboring under the colonized space of the mind of the social. So there's there's we hold these truths to be self evident that we're endowed by the source with unalienable rights.
Ashok:This human because this this version of the human is already colonized and not free. Right? And, yes, we have rights, All of us. But that's the first person. When we become derivative person, we become first person, first citizens.
Ashok:A demos, we the people. Demos have is is a pro political space, a media. You know, when we get get into the source, into dialogue, sacred space. That's sacred media. It's not the same as desecrated.
Ashok:That's corrupt. Yep. I'm I'm just trying to augment what you said so beautifully and rehearse the first two episodes to build on it now. So what you're saying is there is no fundamental truth here. It's according to your perspective.
Ashok:It's relativism. According it's relative to the perspective, and you wanna respect the diversity of different perspectives. But then my truth may not be your truth. And if you have a polarized culture, then you can have polarized truth. If there's no common ground, then truth is broken.
Ashok:And if that's the case, there's a rabbit hole there. So what what what narrative are you subscribing and saying yes to? What are you saying yes to? Right? Yes or no?
Ashok:You're you're subscribing to a narrative. And if you get a lot of people agreeing with you, there's a conspiracy you're breathing together into the narrative and that gives you your truth. And you're a community of believers sharing, narrative. And it has its truth and its facts and its meaning. And what makes sense in one narrative doesn't make sense in another when you cross cultures and worlds.
Ashok:And if you're a multicultural society with multi narratives, each relative truth to the holders and subscribers, then you don't have any fundamental truth. And there is no we the people, for example. Just so media here is not the same as media here. And and the way to think about it is when Buddha is speaking, the great breakthrough of enlightenment is speaking into into the logos in the logos science, the science of what is first presenting the truth in this deep space. That source media.
Ashok:When when Moses is is bringing the laws and in dialogue with Yahweh, the burning bush is here where God is interfacing intimately with with Moses and Mohammed and and Buddha and Krishna teaching yoga. Yoga is not here. Yoga you're a great yoga teacher, not. And and what you do, you help people get from here to move into the yoga space, into their double bracket body and mind where it's unified. This is mind versus this is mind body.
Ashok:This is space time. Every word here, take it to the this way is now in a continuum in the zone of interconnectivity. Every word is interwoven. Every person Every dot is interwoven. So just to I took time to remind us, see, that's those are 2 different media.
Ashok:Lego media or logos media.
Näthan:And I think the the key factor here, just like we said, media is not neutral. Meaning, it's not just it's it's just sort of a blank slate upon which we're we're transmitting ideas. The media itself reflects our consciousness. Just like
Ashok:when we say It's possible. Exactly. Exactly.
Näthan:Yeah. So when we say, we've said in other videos, maybe not in this series just yet, but this is one of the things I wanted to tackle, which is this idea of AI being new. And, of course, the way we we are using it in terms of technology and all that, yes, it is new. But, no, actually, what AI, artificial intelligence, intelligence that is not organic, that is not in touch with the the unified field, is essentially a synthetic form of intelligence. You could you could call it instead of artificially, you could call it synthetic intelligence is as old as language itself.
Näthan:So as a as a, one of the, ways to think of the fall of man is not so much a fall, but more like an evolutionary process of taming the word and getting words and getting language and not realizing the side effect is that every word, you know, when you say that, when you say a is a, as like a fundamental principle of that that software, that everything is what it is. Everything gets its name tag. Everything gets in in a sense, it almost gets, like, contained. So we use the word silo a lot. Everything gets siloed.
Näthan:Everything gets objectified, and in that sense, separated, compartmentalized, atomized, you know, and so everything's separate. That's synthetic. Nothing is in fact separate. Nothing is separate. There was never a point there's nothing that can be separate from anything else.
Näthan:So separation in the in this naive sense, of objectification is not actually real. But but but that indeed is how our current stage and and the stage of evolution we've been in, in terms of thought and language, that's where we've been so far for a very long time. And we didn't know it's almost like we we didn't realize we slipped into a trap, where we got pulled into this objectifying mind mindware media, and and that that everything we then create, experience, do, all of it is being governed by that objectifying mind code. So, of course, the media is too. So what I was gonna say is it's not just that media is not neutral.
Näthan:The the viewer is not neutral. You're not neutral. It's like we we we sort of sit back and just sort of grant ourselves this kind of, like, well, whatever comes out, whatever I see, I'm not doing anything to it. It's all coming at me, right? It's just coming at me and I'm just, I'm a clear vessel.
Näthan:It's like, woah, woah, woah, you know, pause a second, step back and look, you know, have some have some self awareness and know that you're you're you're mediaizing everything you see. Everything is coming at you. You are participating in what that what that phenomenon is. It's not just coming at you.
Ashok:Reality is in the mind of the beholder. Reality is in the mind of the beholder. You might say put it that way.
Näthan:Yeah. Yeah. Reality is in the mind of the beholder. Whatever we think and I and I just I think right now, it's it's like I'm smiling and kinda laughing because I just think it's just so obvious in one sense. And when I really think about the culture right now, I just don't think that this is being really said or thought.
Näthan:Everyone, it's almost like the elephant in the room is that everybody's got their their mind their mind interpretation process all over everything, except we're all acting like it's all out there. The media is out there. And it's like, wait a second, guys. We are part of the me the media includes us. So in other words, to have source media, it's not just about what we're doing, but it's about you, the viewer, being becoming code sensitive too, becoming aware of the software that's governing your mind.
Näthan:And this is this is new. This is has this isn't being brought out. So without being without having it being brought out, and then we're trying to figure out the It Show all around us without even understanding we're idifying ourselves and each other and everything, we're we're never gonna we're never gonna make any headway. We're not gonna get to common ground. We're not gonna find truth.
Näthan:We're not gonna get to what the media ought to be serving, because we're as a as a prerequisite, we have got to become we have to mind our minding, become aware of our awareness, to become conscious of our consciousness, ness. It's either stepping back, and that's what this is really about. No matter what we're talking about. Mhmm. The prerequisite is to understand that there's there's a deeply embedded code that's governing our our thinking and therefore our experience and our feelings and everything.
Ashok:Well well said. And, again, the lens of the the mind, right, whatever narrative you are buying into and subscribing to, your world, the object, the experience, phenomena, your world, the con people don't understand that. The screen of awareness, the narrative is flowing. Right? As I said, if you have a a a scientific lens, you can have a scientific narrative goal.
Ashok:If you have a biblical lens, you you shift your lens, and that's where the mind plays a role in what appears. Here's the subject thinker. This is our thought space, our subjective thinking, our minding. But this is what the object reminded.
Näthan:Including if that's yourself. If that's your own inner world can still be
Ashok:on that screen. That's right. That's right. So what is showing up there is function by processing by the interpreter. The to to experience this, to interpret.
Ashok:And we have we have to read it, to spin it, to, and therefore you do gaslight. And then when you are using your lens to see the other the other world, the other person, you know, even if you earn love and say, I love you. And you're edifying or objectifying your love. The subject has an object that you objectify. And if you objectify and process yourself here, you're objectifying yourself as well.
Ashok:But when you go into the deeper space here, the I and the other are interwoven and unbridgeable. And not an object, the eye of thou. Martin Luther said the 2 there are 2 ways to be I it or I thou. What does that mean? The sacred other, which means what?
Ashok:You're not objectifying it. You're meeting it. This is a place of deep dialogue, connection, and meaning. And that's the most
Näthan:Yeah. Real yeah.
Ashok:If you who's gonna have a Valentine and give a Valentine card and you use this one and say, honey, you're the greatest thing in my life. No. Don't call him or her a thing because an object is objectified. Whereas this when you meet your lover here, right, in in an open space, you meet the work of art here. Now this is the point you're making about can you get to a deeper truth?
Ashok:When you're using this lens of objectifying your gaslighting what appears, here's a work of art here. Here's a Van Gogh, and you're looking at it on the wall. But when you meet the Van Gogh, the other, nature, your lover, your child, whomever, the other person. This is a nonviolent meeting in the powerful place, of dialogue, not monologue, monolence. This is where we're living.
Ashok:And when you said however many millennia it's taken a 1000000 of years to evolve using it, you don't have to have the fall. You know, one one mythology is that, in Eden, or you the Yahweh gave the the the the directive, eat of the fruit of wisdom. Eat of the code of wisdom, not of the code of Google information. Don't go into that media. The tree of knowledge, when you have knowledge, facts.
Ashok:Sun is the sun is shining. The grass is green. I'm a I'm a man. USA is a department. That's information space, but information is this info because it's it's not getting into the form.
Ashok:What is the word form? Information. Mhmm. But form here is broken. This is separated.
Ashok:Space is the form. This is form. Hold on. Take your texture. Motion is they're all separated out, and they're deformed.
Ashok:But when you go into the the the source space, then it's well formed.
Näthan:Mhmm.
Ashok:Right? And so information here is disinformation, the information, preinformation. And to be well formed is to flow in the zone with the fabric of reality, in the Ida space of interconnectivity with nature, with everything, and with Source. It's an intimate relationship with God, with Source, with reality. Mhmm.
Ashok:When you source reality in the zone, when you zone it, it, you can't own it. You can't objectify it. So there are 2 ways of using our minds in the open space. So let the Van Gogh painting, the the star of heaven speak to you. Meet it in love.
Ashok:Open. So the open mind, when you cross your mind here, here into the open mind, the critical mind, critical reason. This is deep reason, rational space. Why? Of course, the love was this?
Ashok:The light of reason. And is it all encompassing? Yes. It's it's the source of law. Plato got that, for example, and Buddha got that.
Ashok:Right? The infinite source, but it's first, lights up the entire field. It is light. So rational light is not just like luminous, pure light. It is the being itself is light.
Ashok:Being is fire. Being is love. Being is light. That's enlightenment. It's mindful.
Ashok:So you could be mind not. You could be thoughtless here and live your life here and see whatever comes up in your lens and your interpretation process under the sway of a of a software that's cutting you off. Or if you can become a critical thinker and mind your minding, step back. Right? And you go from, you know, from a proposition, representational language to meditative language.
Ashok:That's a whole different shift, a different software. Mhmm.
Näthan:All of the great I like that. Yeah.
Ashok:Yeah. We're calling us to to rise. You know?
Näthan:Yeah. The the like likening it to light, fire, love, you know. It's really this is what we everyone what everyone wants. We're trying to get in the in the in the cave. But we need to get out of the cave.
Näthan:We need to get into the light. I mean, that really does speak to the the the the heart of all this, you know. Whatever realm we're talking about, you know. Right now, we're kind of floating around the the the idea of media, and what does that mean in our culture and where we are. But I think I think we're all clear that we're we're we've there's a desperation and a depression and a and a darkness to where we are right now.
Näthan:And I I think most people would agree with that. That where humanity is right now is is heavy. It's dark. So that that that space, that source space, that's our that's our home. That's our that's the promised land.
Näthan:That's where we belong. That's where we belong.
Ashok:That's we the people. That's the demos. Demos from the Greek, the people, person.
Näthan:Yeah. Yeah. That's what
Ashok:Person. Yeah. It's not utopian.
Näthan:It's not, like, some utopian idea.
Ashok:It's really
Näthan:it's it's a it's a matter of it's not like, oh, wouldn't that be nice? It's like, hey. If we don't do that, we're done for. Yeah.
Ashok:In the beginning, right, let's normalize our suffering. We're saying, no. We're only human. We're only that's my theory. That's great.
Ashok:You do ontology? Ontology is science of being. Oh, we're only human. You're saying that this is who we are. And a great first responders of history over 25 100 years, right, of of opening pathways to the source, to what is first, to the light.
Ashok:Right? And but there have been silos. And when you realize with silos, a part of the the the the gaslighting of this software Yeah. You want because what is first cannot be put in silos.
Näthan:Yeah. You
Ashok:can't you can't silo you. Oh, you're all are Brahmin or Omer Tao.
Näthan:Yeah.
Ashok:You can't. It's a u it's infinite unifying force. So the plural is infinite. So this is the ground floor of reality.
Näthan:That's the ultimate media.
Ashok:The ultimate That's right. Well said. And that we're we're seeking to have source media. This is a source media source cast, not media here.
Näthan:An information based, you know, pod that's being cast out.
Ashok:It's not a pod. Yeah. You you that's good. That's good.
Näthan:It's not a pod. You know, pod is like a silo. You know?
Ashok:Exactly. It's not silo cast.
Näthan:Source cast is is a best a vehicle to to come into that source space and then that light, and and it's like a breath of fresh air. It's like the breath of life, you know, when we when we can tap when we can get out of the asphyxiating effects of that silo of a space.
Ashok:I feel that. Why? Because when Jesus say, I'm the life. I'm the truth. I'm the waiting.
Ashok:And Buddha is saying, when you're awake and mindful, this is mindful. This is not mindful. This is critical reason. When you're tapping the light of reason, you're out of the cave. You're in the light.
Ashok:What is mindful? And what does the great first responders on the great scriptures and enlightenment and wisdom teaching is saying what? This is not good. We're hurting. We're hurting and we have evidence all around us.
Ashok:If you want meaning of life, the reason is the reason to be. Right? So when you so what you're saying is this is not just an option. It's not just, oh, utopia. No.
Ashok:This is dystopian. Mhmm. This is realism. Mhmm. Why?
Ashok:Because it's medically urgent that we come to be who we are. Yeah. The primary version of ourselves. First person. Adimos, we the people here.
Näthan:Yeah.
Ashok:Right? And we suggested another series that we've done, 7076 now, for here, that that the great founders of, is saying the declaration, we hold these truths to be self evident. Not truth here where it's not evidence. Opinion. There's no we hold these opinions to be self evident.
Ashok:It's a behold these truths that went down with the by the source with other evil rights of life, liberty, and well-being. Why haven't we gotten that? Because we've been colonized. We haven't faced the colonized of the software of the mind. Which is what?
Ashok:Becoming a critical thinker and not using single bracket reason here, which is great. And what you said, however millennia it took to tame the logos. We tamed it. We got this technology, and it it it's great, and we're addicted to it. All of our all of our arts and sciences and disciplines are are under the sway and granted we couldn't do this without this, but we think we're here.
Ashok:And this is what it means to be human. We're only human. I'm a give you a break. You you know, I'm limited. I said, right.
Ashok:And people are saying no. You're scared of being human. You're going to the media, the source media. Mhmm. It's it's scary to go from here to there Mhmm.
Ashok:Because you have to question everything that you're familiar with and all. So even though you're suffering and people are breaking down, are there violence and wars and, you you you know, objectification, xenophobia, and you know, all the different objectifications and ethnic cleansing and wars and violence and suicidal ideation. All that is coming from being cut off from the place of love and flow and being primary being. So your point is urgent according to the wisdom of the
Näthan:God. It's very, very urgent. Yeah. We should we we should have been doing this yesterday.
Ashok:Well, you and I started I've been teaching 57 years
Näthan:at
Ashok:the college at Haverford. You're a brilliant young people. In the Quaker tradition, the Quakers saw some version of it. With Quakers, they call them Quakers. But really, the the society of the friends of truth.
Ashok:And after 2000 years of the evolution of the teaching of Jesus, this they began to see that there's god and Christ in everyone.
Näthan:Mhmm.
Ashok:It's not in the pope. It's not in the church. It's not in the cross. It's not in the scripture. It's here.
Ashok:Let's what we call it. Let's, let's, influence the founding of America, Philadelphia, brother-in-law. You know, William Penn, Penn's work, Pennsylvania. Right? And in a way now, Pennsylvania may be called Transylvania It's supposed to be it attracts.
Ashok:It's pathetic. We shouldn't laugh. We shouldn't make fun of
Näthan:it either. No. We have to, or we're gonna we're gonna do the opposite. No. I think it's
Ashok:fun, Daut. You and I. This is like you and I are just gonna just have fun and enjoy because this is joy. This is the greatest story never told. It's the greatest joy to think that, wow, we have a choice, but Buddha was right.
Ashok:We don't have to be addicted here. We have the right, and we're coded with this. And Jesus is right. Jesus sacrificed. So we leave this and come here.
Ashok:Krishna is coaching Arjuna to come here, Om. Om, sweet Om. Right? There are all these great teachers. Moses dreamed to follow the laws of God to the promised land.
Ashok:Or what is the Martin Luther King. I mean, look, I mean, I'll get there with you. We're gonna get here. No. We'll get there one day.
Ashok:What's that about? They're all these these great first visionaries are saying, we're we're we're in a bad way, and we can't stay. This this is a titanic culture across the planet. This code, great as it is, to give us information even though it cuts us off from real formation, not disformation, but, you you know, pre formation, real form. When I see the Van Gogh, when I see the other my lover, you're really getting the right form, not deformed.
Ashok:When you're in the zone as an athlete, you're in a high space. You're in peak performance. Your personal best. That's what we're supposed to be. Yeah.
Ashok:Is it the other the the double bracket code is always working. Yeah. Over time. And we're running out of time. Aren't we not?
Ashok:Yeah.
Näthan:I was just gonna say, I think we we we're just, we just hit the mark there time wise, but, that's how much of a
Ashok:We we we hit up before 30 minutes. I don't know how long we've been going right
Näthan:now. Yeah. It's, like, been, like, 45 ish, something like that, but I think that's perfect.
Ashok:Are you serious? This went so fast.
Näthan:Yeah. Yeah. Because we were having fun.
Ashok:Not fair.
Näthan:And, the good news is we get to do this again in a week unless unless we can't wait, and we'll do another one midweek.
Ashok:That's right. We we we we we wanted to do this for over 5 years, and this is now we're doing it.
Näthan:Yeah. We're chomping at the bit. And and
Ashok:we we just for friends joining us here now when no one's listening then. That's one of our productions, intimate conversations when no one's listening. So we can just pick our heart as we really feel And not not going after anyone. We we we we we we we're we're we're loving and open to everyone. Everyone, wherever you are.
Ashok:We're welcoming you to join us because you have this each person has it's a democratization of reason, of light, of truth, of being, of love. Right? Of being a person. That's our birthright. Everyone.
Ashok:And, so, you know, we we're gonna do this regularly now, Nava. And and if you're just joining us the first time in this session, just know we've had 2 say, there's a third in source cast. Not a podcast or source cast. We're seeking to open conversation from here and and invite everyone to dance with us in this high place, safe place with dialogue. No judgment of the other, not putting down, not judging.
Ashok:As Jesus would say, this is judgmental here. We we awaiting the immediately, gaslight the other with our lens from a purchase point of view without having done our homework to know, do I have a an ideology that I'm using to see the other and therefore laying a gaslight on the other, edifying them? That's a kind of violence, media violence. As an open media, the space of the, the medium of, of the fundamental word in the beginning is a logo as a word to go into this media, source media is a place of love and nonjudgmental and deep dialogue and mutual respect and ethics. And so, yes, we we're we're archiving these and not them will give you the link when we put this up.
Ashok:So this is a 3rd session, and we're going to do this regularly every week. And, eventually, we'll do it live streaming so we you can come at a certain time, but Nava and I are in different time zones, 2 or 3 hours apart.
Näthan:And if you can't watch if you can't watch, we, I also just got them up on, like, the major podcast, centers as well, like, Apple Podcasts and Spotify Podcasts and Amazon and on and on. So you can,
Ashok:Breaking the Trans Breaking the Trans.
Näthan:Breaking the Trans is the name of this show, and, yeah. And that's what we're gonna keep.
Ashok:Source source casting and breaking the trans. Greatest story ever told. All of those themes. And, Nathan, I wanna say say to any of our friends, Nathan, is a fantastic life coach. He has experience with this.
Ashok:He's a gifted yoga teacher. He's a gifted musician, a source musician, and a life guide. And, you you if you wish to get tutorials with him, he that's one of the things he does, and you can find a way to connect. He'll give you a link to sign up for him. I will recommend it very highly.
Ashok:He's brilliant, and he helps people to see this at the move. And when he does sessions with people, they come away feeling, wow. I never got this before. And they actually begin to make feel the crossing. So if you'd like a personal guide session of a different kind, not guiding here, not self help here, but self help here, sign up orthoptimal.
Ashok:I'm I'm doing a kind of a, you know, not a commercial. We don't No.
Näthan:Thank you. I appreciate it.
Ashok:You're a very endorsement.
Näthan:Well, I don't have to.
Ashok:Endorsing or not.
Näthan:Real, it's it's amazing how deep we can go, in the 1 on 1 space, and we can do that in, you know, sit literally sitting next to each other, we can do it, online. So wherever you are in the world, if you're interested in that, I can meet you where you are, and we can we can really accelerate, you know, in a way that that that meets you with where where you're at, what you're working on. It's it's powerful stuff. It's really exciting.
Ashok:Source Medics is life changing. And now that it's gifted, I'm brilliant. So I highly endorse it.
Näthan:I'll put a link to that below.
Ashok:So Thank you.
Näthan:Alright.
Ashok:Alright. Well, see you next time. Thank you so much. And you can listen also on the audio as Nader has said. And everyone is welcome.
Ashok:Tell your friends to join us, please, and and check it out. And we want us to grow in in terms of the We the People, on awakened culture, meeting in love and ethics for the first time as ever before. Thank you very much, and all the best.
Näthan:Thank you, guys.
Ashok:Well done, love. Thank you.
Näthan:Next week. Other people who have promised all this
