Is Anything ((Sacred))
Source Media Network presents Breaking the Trance, Episode two. Is anything sacred? With your hosts, Ashok and Nathan Gengadeep. Welcome back, everyone. This is episode two of breaking the trance.
Näthan:And while we are still choosing the title for this, we know that the theme that we wanna tackle today in the second episode, which I think is very apropos, by the way, we we we kind of, just tune in to what is what's up, in, you know, in terms of the theme and the energy of the day or the times or the, you know, just so we're we're very fresh with it. We don't have a preconceived notion or or syllabus as it as it were. We're we're just letting whatever is really, hot for us in in any given moment, take the focus. And I was I was expressing to your dad earlier that I'd gone out after after I had a show, a music concert the other night. And then, afterwards, went to go hang out at one of the local places where everyone goes.
Näthan:And, the night went on, and it just became so plainly obvious to me that there's just there's this utter lack of what I would call sacred sacredness, sacred space, or a sensitivity to anything sacred. There's so much just filling the silence and, and of course, dousing ourselves in alcohol and, you know, lots of just vacuous blabbing and and just as night went on, I found myself more and more exhausted to just be in, this continuous sort of radiation of of mindless mind numbing, existence, which felt very trance like. You know? It feels like we're we're just on autopilot, in a way. And, you know, I don't mean to sound judgmental.
Näthan:I just think that it's something that really hit me very strongly was that, like, there's just a real to me, a real obvious lack of sacred awareness. And that word sacred can have some, different connotations for different people, and I know that it can be kind of seen as religious or spiritual. But I actually would like to reserve the word sacred as something even beyond religion or or spirituality. It's, of course, essential to those. But as when I use the word sacred, I think I'm speaking of more of this the human sacred space, of, the the space in which we are we are, we're quiet inside, and we're listening to one another.
Näthan:And we're not making noise to distract ourselves with it, whether it's verbally or otherwise or with our phones or whatever it is that we're doing. It seems to me a big part of the trance is distraction and, like, like, banging pots and pans to not have to face the silence. And the silence and the sacred is are very closely tied. And and I just I guess I got to this point at one point where I just, like, I can't I just can't do this anymore. Like, I just almost felt, grating, and all I wanted to do was go home and be be in silence.
Näthan:I would just be quiet and just be by myself and just you know? And so I just noticed there's so there's this so whether we're sitting down and having food or whether we're talking or whatever it is, there's this, like, I wanna say, hey. Let's pause for a moment. Let's pause for a moment. Let's recognize this food.
Näthan:When the other person is talking, let them speak, listen. You know? When when we're when we're breathing and walking, whatever we're doing, to remember that all of it is being provided to us by source, and the the infinite source that that provides everything everywhere, the being, the the source of our being and our existence. And and, because it's so ubiquitous in a way, it's like we stop seeing it, and we we take it for granted. And then we start to just consume in a sort of entitled and numbed out sort of way.
Näthan:And and I guess as over the years of teaching yoga and also just the upbringing, you know, you're always telling me to to be heads up and think about others and how my actions are affecting others. And so I was I felt really lucky to get that. And I I, shared that with my I paid that forward to my son also because I think it's one of the most important things I learned was sensitivity to others and sensitivity to the space, around us, not just as people, but as sacred space. So because of that and and all the work I've done over the years and all the yoga and all of just just the practice, I mean, it's become to a to a point where I can't pretend anymore, and it's really painful to pretend to just go along with it. And what I really would like and would prefer is that we break the trance, all of us, in that way because I don't think people are happy.
Näthan:I think I think it I think that's basically what I'm picking up because a lot of people, even if they're going rah rah rah and laughing really hard and throwing back drinks and whatever, which I have no judgment about, it doesn't mean we're happy. And I guess I I think I'm picking up on the deeper, despair, the existential despair of people that they're trying to cover up and fill the void they're trying to fill, the pain they're trying to cover up. And and in that sense, we can't be in tune with the sacred because we're just we're just creating so much noise on so many levels. And, and and things become more and more available to us all the time. Everything's on tap, you know.
Näthan:All the social media and phones and everything is just it's just, like, constantly, we could just keep the tap on full blast. So that what? So that what? What are we afraid of? You know, we were you were talking about another title of this, show could be instead of, xenophobia, xenophobia.
Näthan:And and, you know, maybe maybe this will be like the prerequisite for that one, but I wanna say I think there's something in us that's afraid of silence. I think there's something in us that does not want to get humble in the sense of recognizing that there's something higher sourcing us all the time. And I wonder if there's some deep, deep guilt in there too, just like a deep unspoken feeling of, like, no on knowing on some level we're trampling on sacred ground anywhere we go. It doesn't matter where we are. There's no place that isn't sacred ground.
Näthan:And, so that's that was I was just really feeling that. And then just really quickly, I'll say I thought I was talking to my son, last night. We talked for about three hours, and we're talking about this. I was I was telling him about my experience, and he was talking about what it's like with his his peers and his generation and, you know, and and expressing the same sort of deep concern for where this is all going. And and, so yeah.
Näthan:So when we're talking about breaking the trance, I feel like it's a very appropriate second episode to do after introducing what a source cast is and what source media is, and welcome you into this this space where we can go anywhere. I think this just when you when I was talking about this with you, dad, and then you just said, hey. Well, what do you think about talking about that? I was like, absolutely. Yes.
Näthan:That's what I wanna do. I wanna talk about this, and I wanted to talk about it for a long time because, if we denormalize the the state of the culture this is how I wrap up before I hand you the the baton to you. I mean, I said it last time last episode. It's like breaking the trans means denormalizing what we didn't even know was a trans. That's the big problem.
Näthan:We don't know that we're in a trans. We don't understand because it's normalized. So to to be so bold as to call normal life a trance is is to denormalize it and to and in that sense, begin the process of of snapping out of it. Right? And what what's one of the main what are the main symptoms of of being in a trance?
Näthan:You're cut off from being. You're cut off from yourself. You're cut off from sacred space. You're suffering. You're suffering.
Näthan:You're in despair. You're distracting. You're addicted. You know, all the all the symptoms that that then spill out. It's like, to me at the heart of it is, man, remember the sacred.
Näthan:And I wanna put those the word sacred in double brackets because it really is, I think, universal to all of us. Whether you're
Ashok:say, Develop that. You're doing beautifully. I mean, what what makes sacred sacred? People, you know, seem to be not clearing being clear what is sacred. What makes sacred sacred?
Ashok:You said it's all around us. You know? Why? And you say you wanna put it here. Why?
Ashok:What makes me think different?
Näthan:Yeah. It's it's it's the well, the infinite space. So you have that infinite up there at the top, and the words logos and unum, of course, is codes for that. The infinite light of being and reason and presence and and and and nothing can be without it. So it's all being sourced.
Näthan:It's all being, sourced, supported, sustained, and held every iota of consciousness, every feeling, every sensation, you know, and everything is going on, you could say, in the womb of of sacred space and and and that that sacred space is not just empty space. It's it's pure love. It's pure it's pure light. It's pure, givingness. It's pure abundance.
Näthan:It's all those things that we are longing for but that we're cut off from. And so the word sacred, I'm I'm applying that word in terms of its meaning to that mandate that's just I think we all know deep inside that we must honor that which is sourcing us, and that's infinite. And it can't so there's nowhere where it's not. You can't be somewhere no matter who you are listening to this right now, you're in sacred space, like it or not. And
Ashok:Because because the infinite, which is infinite unity, and that's, the entire universe to being is the logos. Whatever name you use for the infinite first, whether it's Allah, Yahweh, Brahman, Tao, Om, Unified Field, Geist, whatever name you use for the sacred, it's being. And when you said presence, you can't make it stuff. You can't put it here and make it into an entity. It's a source.
Ashok:And that's really what we're doing. A source cast, not media here within the space, which is a mess. Pop media is a mess, but media media means the medium of the word. Well, this level of language is not mature as this level, and so the the double markers are marking when you're in the language of logos, the logosphere, and logosology, the science of logos, source science. This is a place of deep science that all great minds and scriptures are alluding to and trying to call this out.
Ashok:We didn't have it clearly marked with the notation and say, oh, this is where we seem to be the software that's making our lives, and we're here. And this is we're entranced. We're addicted. We can't see. This is this is preconscious, and our consciousness is in here.
Ashok:And until and and we're therefore in a trance, and we're all in Transylvania. And we need to break the trance, and that's really what this is about. So what not media here can't do it. This story of this hologram can't be presented in this medium or this late level of language and literacy. But there's a deeper level of language.
Ashok:As you pointed out in the first episode, our great first responders of Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Krishna, many of these great minds are trying to for medicine people. The first responders here responding to us first, were calling out the the medical diagnostic of being entranced and cut off and severed and suffering. And this is desecrated even though it's being held and funded. We couldn't we couldn't be anywhere without the support and funding of the source. This is the source, the infinite ground.
Ashok:So even here, it's sacred even though it's been desecrated. Even here, it's it's sacred. So that every word here, every x has a deeper source meaning.
Näthan:Every I, every person.
Ashok:Every I. Yes. Is it I am? And therefore, every I is already surrounded. That's almost a universal symbol of full science.
Ashok:Every x is x. Every x is x. And breaking this trans, breaking this software of culture, and that's to call it software. And great teachers didn't have a way to call it out but the software that's operating on us and holding us captive in the space of culture and life and experience and our lives and bodies and self making and culture making and religious life and birthing life and parenting, everything here. We don't realize yet that we saw cut off an alien from a deeper way to be.
Ashok:So the great scriptures and said there's a shift from this code to that code, a code shift. And we don't have code education. So source media this is the second episode as you point out. What are we we're attempting to open up from this fog media, pop media, which is inscribed within the software of this cyberspace into a deeper global cyberspace. And that's where we thrive.
Ashok:Mhmm. And the point about sacred, this is where we belong as humans. This is a human space, a sacred space. Why why is it sacred? Because when you cross from this this version that's cut off from the source, we're not sourcing.
Ashok:That means we're alienated from the field of being. And when we make this crossing, we come to be. And when you come to be, you're woven in. You're zoning. You're in the zen.
Ashok:You're in the zone. You're woven in. And what is that? You're mindful. Of what?
Ashok:Of the source. Of what? It's source in us. What's that? Gratitude.
Ashok:Thankfulness. You take your sandals off when you cross from here. When you cut off into this space, take your sandals off, so to speak. And and you realize that all of yoga, all of being in the Brahmin, bringing the Om, the Christ be praise. The Quakers saw that.
Ashok:You know, over here at Harvard College Relevance Teaching for fifty seven years founded by the Quakers outside of Philadelphia. But they saw this God in every person. There's God in every person. Question that the the home is in every person. We hold these truths to be self evident.
Ashok:That infinite source, God nature, has endowed every human with unalienable rights of life, liberty, and well-being. So this space is absolutely important in being human and sacred. If USA here is a land of sacred free beings, USA here is in trouble. But all the human families and cultures and worlds, insofar as we haven't done our own work, our homework to see what's running the show in my life and our culture and self making. Right?
Ashok:And so this is gonna hurt. We're wounded. We're broken. We're fragmented. Our kids are crying out.
Ashok:They're they're hurting. All of us. Mhmm. Mhmm. And the teachers have known that for over twenty five hundred years, they've been calling out first responders of great scriptures.
Ashok:Unless you die, you can't be born. You gotta detach a net code. Seventeen seventy six, whatever form that brings us and join us one to the other, it violates our dignity. We gotta separate. Even the the declaration of independence is declaration of separation.
Ashok:It said so. Those are the words. You must separate in order to enter the dignity and nobility of humans. One nation under logo is God, indivisible. Not here.
Ashok:Cut off. You can't bring God down here. You can't bring Christ here. You can't bring Allah. You can't bring Moses.
Ashok:If you're putting this this code, which gives you ID, a is a. Everyone has an ID. When you have an ID, you're you're a unit by yourself, and therefore, you're a Lego entity, a Lego piece, a unit. And the great teachers don't know. You're not our Lego.
Ashok:There are no Lego pieces in the universe. We make them, but they're not real. Because when you're tapping into your when you get over this and you you realize yourself here, you're in the deep flow of the zone. You're mindful. And what what's up with that presence?
Ashok:You said it. You do that inner yoga. If being is not stuff but presence, how do you access it? With presence of mind. What does that mean?
Ashok:Awakened awareness, which is what? Walking in sacred space, breathing. Know that every pulse of life, every moment is being gifted. You didn't do that. You didn't create your own existence.
Ashok:You're being held and funded and held by the source. When you break the trance and realize, wow. And and make this crossing. And from desecration to sacred. So that that's a way of putting that.
Ashok:What what you point there for for anyone who's joining us, this is a space of dialogue between you you and me even if no one's listening. Right? We're trying to make sense of what comes up for us every day in the culture. Not just politically, but existentially human. The human issues.
Ashok:Right. And so source media is an attempt. We call this source media network. You can have sort you can have, media here. Right?
Ashok:Ordinary media. Pop media. But when you go into deeper cyberspace here, not from Internet, but intranet, so to speak, the the name in Buddhist philosophy for the field of being of interconnectivity. Right? This is a good start.
Ashok:Cyber here. But cyber comes you couldn't have cyber without that. So cyber deeper cyberspace is sacred where we begin to experience interconnectivity. This came out, you know, so many of our performances over the last decade now. And we we just somehow have to bring it in again.
Ashok:So I just wanted to call that out. What does sacred mean? Mhmm. And why would why would people be lost in a kind of nihilistic, narcissistic, solipsistic, monocentric, objectification? Because you objectify self and other with this technology.
Ashok:You're already become reified, ossified. Mhmm. All of these words. You're zombie you're zombie dog.
Näthan:Yeah.
Ashok:How do you communicate? How do you drink? What drugs do you take? How what entertainment do you need? You know?
Ashok:In the in in that version of the pop culture across the planet. You need to meditate that somehow. I I knew picking that up after your concert last night. You told me you had a great concert again because you bring music from here. You go to whatever gigs you do in whatever situations, pubs or restaurant, whatever.
Ashok:They they love it because they feel the vibes of source music. Mhmm. And you need to have ears to hear it, right, to hear the sounds of silence, the the language of presence.
Näthan:See, that's the very important thing about all this is that, you know, the media is not just what's coming off of your screen at you. Your your mind is part of the media. So, you know, source media involves you, the viewer, all of us, to be mindful, to to be able to break the trance is the essence of being mindful, to see you're seeing, to mind you're minding, to realize you've been making yourself and buying into by default from the time you're really young that you're a Lego piece, you're a Lego human so to speak. You're you're may as well be just like a Lego among amongst 9000000000 other Legos walking around trying to get theirs, you know. And you mentioned the word narcissist too.
Näthan:I mean, narcissistic, I know that word gets used so much these days in good ways and bad ways, but but I mean, the the there is an an inherent, self absorption. I don't wanna call it self centered even, because that almost sounds so much too willful. It's almost like a default. We get we just get absorbed inside of our of of all of our interests and what we think we want and what we're feeling we lack and what and our and our stories and everything. It literally just almost like absorbs us into ourselves to where we lose that sensitivity to sacred space.
Näthan:We become we become our Lego identities. We buy into that. Now I don't get really deep here, but I mean, it's essential to understanding that our lack. When I was speaking about just the lack of sacredness the other night, I'm not putting anyone down. It's more like this is so sad.
Näthan:You know? It's so obviously that we're we're hurting and we're craving something, whether it's, you know, to drink more, it's sex, or it's
Ashok:Craving yourself. You're craving yourself. You're hungry.
Näthan:Really doing is you're craving you're craving sacred space. You're craving sacred you. Which you can't have if you can't mind your minding and see that you've been deeply programmed, not just with the content. It's not just the content of whatever ideology or religion or culture you're in, deeper than that still. The the thing that that has all cultures across the globe as wildly different as they all are, there's something all in common and that's that ASA that that objectify it, turning yourself into an object, buying into your object.
Näthan:That's the zombie. The zombie is that self. And it's and and it, it sucks the life out of us, and it can suck the life out of the room, and it can create violence, and it can create, you know, discord of all kinds, and it does. Self destruction, other destruction, you know, all that that's all we know that sacred space is not being honored. For example, when there's war breaking out and one country is invading another or one religion is committing genocide on another.
Näthan:You know, we know that that's not sacred. It all comes back to this. So we may you may not be a violent person, but you may be very well deeply entrenched in the same thing that's causing all the all the disarray on the planet. And so when I said xenophobia, when your one of your terms that you coined, not xeno, zen, z e n, o phobia.
Ashok:Mindfulness. Yeah. Religious mindfulness. Yeah.
Näthan:There's something about this move that is deeply scary at first. You know? Like, it's actually thrilling and it's exciting and it's liberating, but but there's a willfulness to stay into stay in our suffering. There's a willfulness. So I almost felt like I might have I might have triggered some people, you know, because I felt like I was trying to
Ashok:bring them out with with the group.
Näthan:When I went out, you know, and I kinda called out called it out at one point in a very gentle way, but I just pointed out that we were having food, and that it was, you know, it's like, hey, let's this is a moment. Let's have a moment to honor it. You know? And I felt, more of, like, not anger, but just kind of who do you think you are kind of thing. And and I was like, wow.
Näthan:That's so not where I'm coming from. I want I want what I want is for you also to get a break from your noise. Get a break from your noise. Let's have let's have a sacred meal together. You know, let's be quiet.
Näthan:Let's see. And it and it actually I think it just ended up being more of a trigger than anything else. And and I think it's because so my point is this, that's just a little one instance I can think of where the reminder of sacred space is highly inconvenient when you're when you're invested in this space. I mean, you don't want to see that there's a trance. And somebody comes along and says, hey.
Näthan:You're in a trance. It's gonna be a little jarring. You know? So I think there's a deep there's a deep phobia to to, getting humble in that sense, you know, till it's like the I call it the internal bow. You don't you don't have to literally bow, but the the the posture inside where you're you're recognizing there's something higher at all times and something's sourcing us and supporting us and and to move through the world in that way.
Näthan:And then when you're encountering another being, human or otherwise, you know, to to have that to have that, sense of honor and respect for one another, we're not gonna get there if we don't break the trance. If we can't see that we're in a trance and that we're in a kind of zombie a zombie state that we've normalized and and that we're desensitized to the sacred, we're not gonna be able to really love one another or ever arrive in a place, into the promised land as we've referred to it.
Ashok:So when we say Lego Lego unit, we keep our Lego blocks, units. Right? And that we don't realize we're making ourselves as a Lego rather a logos sacred presence. We're not stuff. We're not entity.
Ashok:We're not beings. To be is to not be a a being, but to go into a deeper flow. And so what is it about the logos, the sacred, the infinite first? Why why don't we get the god space, the Christ space, the Buddha space, the yoga space, whatever name we use for the space. Right?
Ashok:And it's all united. It can't be put in silos. You can't put first first, wisdom and science and enlightenment In silos, you can't put Buddha here, Christ over here, yoga over here, Buddha, and and Muhammad. You can't do that. They're they meet.
Ashok:Why? Because it's infinite, and the infinite is infinitely one. And that's infinite fundamental, infinite unity, which is infinite plurality and diversity. It's unum blurbis. Unum blurbis.
Ashok:And what does that mean? It means when you cross into this, this the the the the life of presence, which is life itself, you find yourself interwoven with the entire field. The I, which is separate here, is an I thou. The other is within you. You can't block it out with your with your shield of privacy.
Ashok:It's fake. It's AI. It's artificial. The the real view when you tap your primary self is an I thou self. This pronoun I separates you from every it makes your leg go.
Ashok:This I is an I thou. It's a different pronoun. You're connected with oh, there's ethics now. When you see that yourself is already interwoven with the entire other beings, of of the persons, with the ecology, with nature, with God, it's either with the source. You're intimate with source.
Ashok:Now you're in sacred space. That's sacred land. Not here. It's not geography. It's in the awakened mindful space, of rational space.
Ashok:This is extremely important, not what we brought out. This is not just a wish, or another opinion. It's science. What's science? The science of rationality.
Ashok:What do you mean? What do you bring in a reason for? Isn't the reason reasoning what we hear? No. The sort this is a version of it.
Ashok:It's an adolescent form of of logic and grammar and reason and code. That's what code means. It's a logic. It's a logic. Cyber is a logic.
Ashok:You know, when you when you're using ordinary sentences to describe the world and just talk about yourself and give you a CV, that's a logic. That's a grammar. It's a code. That's a code. It's software.
Ashok:But when you go so if you wanna find meaning here, we have a meaningful sentence. The snow is white. It's a sentence in English or as regnet, it's raining. But these are sentences that have meaning, but that meaning is not deep meaning. When you are mindful, you're meaningful, you're being full and you're connected.
Ashok:And when you're so going to sacred space is rational space, it's being an irrational awakened being. Why? Because we're Logos kids. We're not Lego kids. Lego sapiens.
Ashok:We're Logos. Sofia sapiens. And that's ethics. This is huge what we're saying. It's not like, oh, yeah.
Ashok:I've got two choices. I can be in this code or that code. I don't like that later month. No. You're right.
Ashok:It's scary. Yeah.
Näthan:It's
Ashok:scary. Why is it scary? Because you're gonna give up what's most precious to you, which is what? Your self privileging narcissistic me, I, and your Lego. You gotta chip it throw in your Lego chip, trade it in.
Ashok:Right? You gotta trade in the Lego to become the logos. And that's the scariest thing in the world to make this crossing, to see this, as you said, to call this out is is life threatening. So that xenophobia, logos phobia Mhmm. Fear of God fearing person.
Ashok:Fear of this is right. You don't just back into it. You can't hack it. You can't just back into it. This crossing is huge because you've got to do something that you've never done before.
Ashok:The great teacher say, unless you let this go and separate and detach and so independence of this, you can't come in to your logos nature, your true nature.
Näthan:Yeah.
Ashok:That's meaning. So imagine some of the people loved.
Näthan:Yeah. And you say like that that that that that cross is life threatening, the single bracket life. But I honestly, to live here is life squelching. You know?
Ashok:That's good. That's good. It's actually
Näthan:the other way around. It's so yes. Life yeah. Yeah. That is life threatening.
Näthan:That's that's that's the truth.
Ashok:The life. This is the I am the way. I am the life. And think of the of the founding of USA. If we could only hear it with with with the logos of eyes.
Ashok:You know? Life, liberty, well-being, happiness. We're endowed by the source of life. There is life. Liberty
Näthan:Freedom.
Ashok:Well, being well well-being is being well. Mhmm. It's mental health. The founders are calling us to mental health. If you if you're colonized and you don't know it, right, you can get you can evict the British external heteronomy to have autonomy, but auto normals are is not the lower notes.
Ashok:So autonomy is still colonized. So we, the people here, is still in the colonies. Colonial reason, colonial thinking, metal slavery. Mhmm. You can take a slave.
Ashok:Sure. But you could ship the slave holder and the slave are in the same boat, the same code. And it's tainted. It's a virus. And so what we're saying is huge.
Ashok:If you're trying to find love here, bring yourself the song, looking for love in all the wrong places. What is love? Love is not an it. Your lover is not your object is not an object of everything is an it. I am it.
Ashok:When you cross there, what happens? I am thou. What is that? The other person is sacred. The work of art, the music, whatever the other is in the space, I am thou.
Ashok:The thou makes a sacred other, and you can't split from it. You can't break it. So what? You gotta tend to it. To tend to yourself is a tend to the other, to tend to the other, And that's ethics.
Ashok:That's the pulse of ethics. This is huge what we're saying. Ethics is not following certain rules. Ethics is being a mindful free agent in the law that Buddha Dharma, the Christetics. Love one another.
Ashok:Where did that come from? Jesus didn't make it up. Is is a great he's a son of God. Say it must be no. It's it's not true because he's a son of God.
Ashok:We all children of God. Right? He it's true because love is real. So what? The source of all being is infinite present.
Ashok:So what? It's infinitely what? So what? We're all woven together. So what?
Ashok:I thou. Ethics, nature, not just other persons, other creatures, and yourself too. Don't don't be here. You're violating yourself. If you're here if you're here, you're violating you.
Ashok:It's almost it's almost like a crime against the source.
Näthan:Yep. Yep. That very same thing came out in a in a session I was doing with a client, which, by the way, I do, I do one on one sessions where we go into this understanding, this deep source science as it pertains to what you're going through and experiencing that. If you ever wanna reach out
Ashok:I I recommend anyone who is looking for meaning, check out this guy. He's a brilliant master yoga teacher and a brilliant musician and awakening life arts life coach. You can have life coaching here. You have a lot of that. But if you don't call this out, you're pouring it into a a a vacuous space.
Ashok:Life coach is this. And you should just just have sessions with nothing.
Näthan:I'll put a link down below. How about that?
Ashok:I just did a commercial.
Näthan:Yeah. It's commercial. But, but yeah. But that very point came out, that that you were saying about, you know, when you're when you're in that single bracket space, you're you're you're not being who you're not being your true self. You're not you're not and and you're so you're it's it's kind of like a crime against source when you're when you're And
Ashok:against yourself. And against yourself.
Näthan:That's what I'm saying. To do that to yourself is to do that to to the to the field, to the to source. So it's not like, it's in a way you could say everyone wins if we dare to break the trans. You know, everyone wins because that that's there is something that has to be let go of and there it is something that's that's intimidating if if not daunting or scary even about it. But I just don't want to diminish in one little tiny bit how amazingly liberating and freeing it is, to break free of that that that very thing that we're so attached to.
Näthan:You ever you ever known somebody or maybe you yourself, and I know we gotta wrap up here, but, just say, you know, you might have even with yourself have or seen with somebody else in your life that they're almost like they must seem more comfortable with the pain, more comfortable with being upset, more likely to go into negativity or or or why things are wrong. And so why that doesn't feel good. Why are you doing it? Well, we get addicted to it. We actually literally get a lot of people different stages of our life or just different people, we can get really addicted to our suffering.
Näthan:That's the crazy thing. You get addicted to our ourselves, you know. So to to dare to just even just see that that's going on in in itself is major step towards true true life and true happiness. And there's a there's a humbling in that. There's a humbling when when when when we can realize that I too can be, an unsacred person, and and I'm doing it a a lot.
Näthan:And, oh my goodness. And to really see, wow, there is sacred space and, like, wow. Get humble a little bit. You know? I think that's a big part of this this journey.
Näthan:And and to to get humble is actually to, ironically, is to rise into your higher self, where where we are much more happy and free and, and able to be in in the life that we we keep on trying to piece our life together down in that single bracket space. Well, I want some of this and some of this and some of this. And if I get all those things, the money, the partner, the home, the then I can piece together my happiness because we don't we don't stop and go, wait. Wait. What's who's doing that?
Näthan:Oh, oh, that whole thing that I'm creating, my whole life is getting absorbed into filling this void. Well, where's the void coming from? Well, we're avoiding source. We're avoiding presence. And so it really is the beeline, for lack of a better word, to to to to to true happiness, to lasting sustainable happiness and well-being.
Näthan:Even though at some point you feel like you're you have to, like, let go of everything that matters to you, it's not it's not actually, it's the other way around.
Ashok:So I'd like to I'd like to talk about that because people Sure. Go of my this version of myself, I'm negating and obliterating my, my family, my relationship, my house, my, my professions. No. On the contrary, when you realize that, that you're, you're, you're say you're a physician or a teacher or a lover or a parent, and you begin to let go of this, you become a a true parent. You become a true lover.
Ashok:You become a true significant other. And the humble you're talking about is not just, oh, the word humble baby. If we're loveless kids, if we're loveless sapiens and that's who we are rational beings. And this version of reason is a, it's an adolescent form and it's falling apart on us all around our democracy, our public life, our love life, family, divorce, suicidal thoughts, the degradation of nature. All of this stuff is what?
Ashok:It's codefect. And if you can and to see this work is called critical thinking, not just critical thinking here, which is what we use, but critical thinking. Imagine if science about the virtue of science is not that, oh, we're gonna know nature, but science has a duty to check out how it's using its mind. Science needs to stay, and that's what first philosophy is. Source science is deep science because it's willing to say what is on the ground floor being.
Ashok:It's infinite source. Science gotta do that. It's gotta grow up from this version of empirical verification within this code. It's gotta check out, alright, alright, is my science going on in a mind operating process, a software that I haven't checked out yet? That's that's an an come on.
Ashok:Let's get get really scientific. Yeah. Getting is getting human. It's getting humble means I was privileging. And you say when you say you're almost addicted, yes.
Ashok:That the great teacher said we're addicted to what? To we're born into it. No one ever brought it out. How many parents bring out? It says, honey, check out your software of your mind.
Ashok:How many parents are raising our children back? Yeah. We started, you know? So we're all automatically we're suffering. What is that?
Ashok:It's a human condition. We're only human. That's theory. You know? So big no.
Ashok:We're only humans. No. There's a deeper way of understanding the human condition. Listen to our great first scientists and philosophers and scriptures of the ages. Right?
Ashok:They're calling us to discover, who we really are. Are we is this the version of us, human? Is that the human condition, or is this the human condition that that we need to really grow up? And then enter ethics and rise to say in The USA to The USA here. Today is Martin Luther King Day now.
Ashok:It turns out to be also the inauguration on Jan. 20, 2025. I'm giving away our time now. I'm not the king. I have a dream.
Ashok:This is not working. The breakdown of the culture, racism, sexism, homophobia, all kinds of degradation, poverty, all kinds of here. I had a dream. I may not get there with you. But one day we're gonna get there.
Ashok:The arc of truth is the arc of justice bends towards truth. What's truth? True here. Look at us. Justice is the inscability of the infinite source by whatever name God, Yahweh, Allah, Brahman, or Tao.
Ashok:Right? Whatever name you. Right? It's who we are, and that's a scientific way of being. So now we're not we're talking about here.
Ashok:It's not just another opinion. This is science, source science. Unumplurables. The mantra of America, e pluribus unum, multiplicity in unity. Yeah.
Ashok:It's not here, And the evidence is clear. Yeah. Martin Luther King Day and inauguration of of of the next president. So we're living in the middle of that drama right now. Mhmm.
Ashok:And it's being scientific. We have we have to go to a next session. We have to go to a third session.
Näthan:We can go. Well, I can see branching off of five different directions right from where we are. But that's track
Ashok:of time. I don't know how long this session. We want to go for a twenty minute twenty minutes to thirty minutes session so we can This
Näthan:is more like forty five or 50. We'll see.
Ashok:No. I'm not doing this. That, I know. Come on. You can't get carried away with a passion of the truth and meaning.
Näthan:Yeah. Come on. That's not allowed. So, yeah, guys. That's, that's our invitation for you today to break the trance.
Näthan:Remember the sacred. The sacred is everywhere all the time in you and around you and in the other.
Ashok:Every breath that we're we're breathing in the source. We we can't be outside of it. People don't know that now. They don't know that that this is not normal. That's an addiction.
Näthan:Yeah. Yeah. And that it's that it's numbed out and deadened and, you know, zon it's zombie. It's kinda zombie land, and and we need to denormalize it now. So I think I think we did a pretty good pretty good dose of that today.
Näthan:So hope that guys helps you to denormalize it and to step back from it and to feel the spaciousness and sacredness of your true self. Thank you for joining us today.
Ashok:Thank you, Nathan. Well done. Thank you. Thank you. Bye, everyone.
Ashok:We're gonna come back next every week. We're gonna do this every week. Every week,
Näthan:if not soon. Okay. Thanks. Bye, y'all.
