(( The |Control| Addiction ))
Welcome to Breaking the Trance Sourcecast. This is episode 13, the control addiction. Welcome back, everybody, to Breaking the Trance Sourcecast. Episode 13 is what we're on to today, and, I wanna remind all of our podcast listeners wherever you might be listening, that this is originally a you YouTube visual presentation, and we do, actually reference the the the source science code visuals, throughout, and and and so you'll get even more of an immersive experience in understanding that way. However, just listening, you will most definitely, get quite a bit of value from that experience as well.
Näthan:So I just wanted to remind you, come to Source Media Network on YouTube and check out our Breaking the Trance Sourcecast. We have been having this experience that we're gonna be addressing today. The main theme of today has been something that we've been encountering for years since we've been doing sharing this work. I'm talking good ten to fifteen years that we've been actively partnered and bringing the source science, as we call it, to the people. And one of the main questions or or even, I would say, a way, kind of complaints, would be, that you're not saying how how to do this.
Näthan:I get that I wanna get to the source of space. I wanna get into the zone. I wanna break the trance or what have you, but but where's the how to? You you know, give me the steps. What are the bullet points?
Näthan:Give give me the the a to b journey so that I can get there. I wanna get there. Ironically, this is exactly the trance effect in full effect. Because of that, another thing we can call it is sort of like an information addiction. It's an addiction to that single bracket space, that that malware, that that basically informationizes everything.
Näthan:That's that's what we know. We humans, we like to wrap our heads around it. Right? That's our, normalized power trip over over the word, over language, over information, over understanding and knowledge. The word knowledge as we know it is an accumulation of information.
Näthan:And so the more information I have, the more, knowledge I have, and the more agency I have to do what I'm trying to do or get what I'm trying to get, accomplish what I'm trying to accomplish. So we're so used to this sort of, step based, information based, prescription of techniques or, you know, how tos, the toolkits that we get given so that we can just say, okay. I got it. I've wrapped my head around this process. I know that I wanna get from a to b, and these are the steps I'm gonna take.
Näthan:You know, you can think of this for any endeavor whatsoever. I wanna become a doctor. I wanna lose weight. I want to play guitar. I want to find a partner or attract the right partner in my life.
Näthan:You name it. Anything that you can think of, we have this we have this mindset of this is where I am, a, and this is where I'm trying to get to, b. Right? What we're saying is that that's all still in the same that's all still in the same, single bracket silo space that we're act that which is the trance that we're trying to break free from, to wake up from, to liberate ourselves from, because that is not the space of true freedom. That's not the place of true agency.
Näthan:That's not the place of true choice. We've learned to see choice in a kind of binary either or sort of mentality, and that's my freedom. I get to choose what I want. Right? But are you able to choose the wanting?
Näthan:Alright. In other words, we're what what we're addressing here, when it comes to breaking the transit, entering the zones, the the space of wisdom, this is not the same thing, guys. This is a whole new journey that that is more of a backing away and a backing out rather than a moving towards and and attacking, right, like we do in in in every one of our other endeavors. Wisdom and the source science code breaking, trance breaking process is a whole different kind of prescription, a whole different kind of process that doesn't resemble what we're used to. So when the student asks, for example, well, I I get what you're saying, but why can't you just tell me how to do that how to do it, how to get there, how do I attain enlightenment?
Näthan:Right? And that's it's it's nothing less than a confession of being still stuck to still addicted to the information trance and that way of being. And what I often will say to my students, or my my one on one sessions, you know, I'll help them, because this almost always comes up. And frankly, guys, it's very healthy. It's very understandable.
Näthan:That's why we wanna address this, really focus on this today, because it's actually what we're the how to here is way better than that tedious process that we keep doing of getting there. We have to understand in a way we're already here, but that's not to say that's not to just automatically claim that I'm I'm liberated. I'm free already. Obviously, there's, there's an issue. There's a block.
Näthan:There's a trance. There's something that's got us. And then the addiction to information and the single bracket version of how to is exactly keeping us there, and there is no single bracket informationized how to. But what I do say to my students and and my clients is that you're being present with us. You're being present with me as we go on this journey.
Näthan:We're not talking about it. It's not a talking about. It's a it's a it's a a process of of waking up to. It's an activation of your consciousness. It's a it's a relentless reminder, which the double bracket and single bracket technology, the code unpacking technology that we keep using is a relentless antidote that we we must keep on remembering to to that any word we say, any thought we're having, any process we're embarking on, we have to we use the word deconflate.
Näthan:If everything is conflated, which means it's compressed, that means our words of wisdom and our information space the words of wisdom is not in the information space. They're compressed and they're smooshed down, so wisdom gets informationized. This is sort of like an alarm system. The double brackets and the single brackets both are an alarm system that that allows us it's a technology that allows us to stop defaulting into that. Right?
Näthan:So it's like a tripwire, and it can almost be annoying. I get that too sometimes. It's so annoying. I was like, oh, yeah. Enough about the double brackets.
Näthan:Right? Like, there's this because we're we're so addicted to wanting to download it to where we are that the double brackets is annoying if if you're if you're dead set on staying in that information space. So what I'm saying to you before I pass the ball on to you, Dan, is is remember, the how to is the way I this is one way of saying it. The way I say it, listen. Stay with us.
Näthan:Because when when you listen and and listen deeply and step back from your judgment process and become that witness listener, you are doing it. You are making that transition. You are healing your consciousness. You are are getting out of the the silo separator information izer that we're so so deeply addicted to that we don't even know we're doing it. Right?
Näthan:And so when you're constantly stepping back as a repetitive process to to rehab your consciousness, rehab your mind, and and therefore, your being you're sort of backing out. If single brackets is like the fingers behind my ears, I can't see those fingers. I can't see the single brackets back here operating. We've shown this again and again. The process, the how to, is again and again.
Näthan:We're stepping back. We're seeing what's going on. We're seeing our seeing. We're learning how to mind our minding. Is that a process?
Näthan:Is that a practice? Absolutely. But it is it is a powerful practice. And I I said in my workshop just a couple days ago, you know, there's no there to get to, and there's no shortcut to this process. But if we were to cut away all the fat and and not chase our tails anymore in the space of of samsara and and sin and the the trance, then this is the quickest way to do it, to be to to go right to the heart of it and see what's what keeps blocking us and and and getting that into us over and over and over.
Näthan:I promise you this is going to become more and more easy. It's like surfing. You're just gonna become a better and better surfer of the zone. Those would be some of my opening words and and just stream of consciousness thoughts as we address this question that a lot of people have. How do you do it?
Näthan:How do you get there? You know? So, dad, what are your thoughts?
Ashok:Well, first of all, what you did is magnificent, not. Know, the stream of you're a wonderful stream. Got to have that because you really rehearsed the centuries of challenges that wisdom teachers, scriptures, life coaches who are seeking to deal first of all, diagnose correctly, what's going on? Why are people suffering? Why are people broken?
Ashok:Why are they ill being? Why are they not in the zone, so to speak, in peak performance, in a healthful space? Because if you're here, your being is broken and busted because of a deeper space of being. But this hologram is something new in history. We didn't have this before.
Ashok:As you said, there's a technology. It's not how do I in my teaching lab at Haverford College, teaching philosophy, wisdom, enlightenment, scriptures, the greatest philosophical minds, East and West, and I'm my fifty seventh year. This comes up for the students. All the time, Professor Gangadhi, okay, I begin to see now that it's when you said they're smushed, they're conflated, imagine you don't see the blue lines, you don't see the red lines, and what we have here is a place in which we live right here. We, the thinker, have the screen of awareness where to think is going on here, on, let's say, on the computer screen, so to speak, but I'm just experience.
Ashok:I'm experiencing here on my consciousness is here, and what makes this work, this so called binary logic where I have the content, thinker has a content, the subject has the objects of thought and events and emotions and feelings and psychology, all of it, politics, all going all my narratives. This is a narrative space, it's great. But we don't really realize there is a software, that's a red marker, that allows you to have the wonderful basis of Google information. I use the word metaphor Google means we've been always in the age of information. Information, when we can talk about it.
Ashok:So if we don't have the differentiation between this language and source language and you erase that, and it's somehow lurking here where no one can see it, and you can't see this because you can only see this when you open up the deeper technology. And I just wanted to echo what you said. It's not just we have been facing it. Our great wisdom teachers for millennia have been facing this challenge. When Buddha has awakened and saw in the enlightenment tapping the Buddha zone, the source primary being, he tapped into reality, the field of reality, which is deeper than where we informationize.
Ashok:And Buddha despaired. How do I teach this to the villagers who are suffering? Why? Because this language, this code, this sourceware is not available here. So the Buddha couldn't just say, well, here, I'll tell you, the suffering people.
Ashok:Right? What steps and bullet points to follow. Here's a recipe like cooking a recipe, and here's one, two, three, four, five, and voila, you're going to be there. No. Buddha saw that's not going to work.
Ashok:So, the students or the villagers or disciples were asking the Buddha questions from here, because that's how you ask questions, the Buddha was silent. Why? That was a teaching device. Buddha's silence was to interrupt the student's question. Why is the Buddha silent?
Ashok:To realize that maybe my asking the question is a wrong headed question. And if the Buddha answered me on my terms, the Buddha would undermine me. Undermine me and and not allow me to break the suffering and break the trans. So Buddha disappeared. When Jesus, the logos, if you call this the logos, in the beginning is the logos, the infinite source, reason, The being, the infinite word.
Ashok:As John opens, in the beginning is the Logos. The Logos is with Kama and the Logos became flesh. What kind of flesh is that? That's what yoga is about. Yoga is leaving this mind body experience, this lens that we don't have we didn't call out, and enter into the zone of Aum, of being, of well-being.
Ashok:And yoga is communion with being, with the Source. And if Jesus is a voice of that Logos, how is Jesus going to bring the Jesus teaching with this Christ technology to talk to the people who are in the sin zone or whatever alienated? That's it. Alienated from source. Buddha is the spirit of teaching too, and so did Buddha, so did Jesus.
Ashok:How do you speak the Christ language without loss in translation? Mhmm. And so if you say how to, do I do works? Is it my no. It's not my works.
Ashok:It's not what you do. It's by grace, which means what? The source is holding you. Now that we have the the new technology of saying, oh, damn. Oh, good heavens.
Ashok:We we can see there was a different language. The god language, the Buddha language, the yoga language, the om, the Brahman, the Allah, all of these attempts to get to the deeper source word. All of these great scriptures and teachers had to face a translation problem. How do you translate the word of God? Or Jesus say, I'm the way, the truth, the life.
Ashok:That's not information. That's trans information. So now with this new technology, for centuries, the greatest minds and scriptures were calling us to somehow see this knocking at this door. Knock, knock, knock at heaven's door. There's a song like that.
Ashok:You know, to get crossing from the alienated space where you're broken and fragmented and suffering. The culture is in a meltdown. Your life is not working. Your human relations, your politics, your love life, your emotions, your inner integrity, all of that's compromised in within the software that we don't see because we can see this way, but we don't know how to back out and see and see this. Mhmm.
Ashok:How do we how do we so what you said so beautifully that there's a new technology of teaching. If if Buddha had the hologram to say to his villagers or disciples, when I speak, you have to learn a new language to come to the source word. It's not you can't download please do not download your violet. So if you download scripture to him, if you Christ Jesus Jesus as Christ. Christ is this.
Ashok:Christ is the word in the flesh. Logos in the flesh, but you can't translate it into this level of derivative language. So to just sum up that response to you, we just put in a twenty five hundred year sequence. Mhmm. It's not that you and I are facing that when we teach.
Ashok:When I teach and the students say, mister Ganglid, how do I go from here to there? And what you said is you're all this is always here. So when you're here, you're already here. That's what this is. Wherever you are, you're all being or being you're being here.
Ashok:If you had to distill this hologram into one visual, here it is. The infinite source has got you all the time right here, right where you are. You could not have the red zone without the blue. That's what is coming out clear now. Woah.
Ashok:This was not your information space. Our culture code where where people are living and making our narratives and worlds and arts and sciences disciplines, everyone, scientists, scriptures, imams, rabbis, gurus, life coaches, everyone, everyone, not just the teachers but the students have to somehow step back and not say, give me the rules, give me the steps and I'll do it. That's impossible. Because you're only going to deepen the situation as you're part of that. So, my dialogue with you and heart to heart that we're having here, whether anyone's doing hope someone is listening is how when people say how to and so forth, that question is a confession that they're in the trance, as you said.
Ashok:Mhmm. And so is there a new technology of teaching? Woah. Code education. Mhmm.
Ashok:Oh, I didn't realize it's a code, a a software education. What is the software I'm living in? I never I never asked. I just was living. And all all of my gurus and teachers and scriptures, was processing it in my language, in my soft software.
Näthan:Mhmm. But I I
Ashok:didn't see the software. That's breaking the trends. Mhmm. So here's the question. Pointed out beauty.
Ashok:There's not a how to, but when people begin to see this, the stepping back, the yoga, stepping back from from being embedded here. Mhmm. Right? That's a major first step in becoming a full human being. Mhmm.
Ashok:Into well Mhmm. And getting the teaching. So in a way, you said you're you are if you if you begin to see the code issue, you're already dilating.
Näthan:Yes. Yes.
Ashok:And so don't ask the how to now.
Näthan:Yeah. It's like it's happening.
Ashok:Yeah. Exactly.
Näthan:It's the seeing is the doing. That's
Ashok:right. Yeah. Go ahead. No. You go.
Näthan:Well, active the word activism, which, by the way, I'm so grateful for activists in the world, the people that are are are mustering up their strength in numbers and and and tackling some of the world's biggest issues. But activism, I'm using in a more grand sense of, like, anything that we're when we take single bracket action, action in the normal sense, I wanna get this result, and these are the steps I'm gonna take and do it, right? But when we're talking about breaking the trance, it's not activism. It's activism. Active vision, the seeing is the doing.
Näthan:The seeing That's it. That's it. Is liberation in all of that. And and it's funny because, you know, I've I've noticed amongst countless different responses and reactions to this, there's there's this preprogrammed prejudice to any markings on any surface, be it a blackboard or a whiteboard or anything else. And sometimes people can see the the hologram, which, by the way, those of you listening when my father is referring to the red zone, that's the single bracket space, the information zone.
Näthan:The blue zone is the infinite space, the source space, the space we're trying to to, you know, find ourselves awakening into and seeing from. So I just wanted to clarify that. But but it's it's not markings on it's not flat markings. Right? It's it's actually a technology.
Näthan:And as you as you see it, as you learn, as you kinda learn the ropes of this technology, it becomes this powerful tool that we did not have before. Because think about it as as my father was just saying a little while ago, you know, when we don't have that, when we don't have that way of, as I said earlier, deconflating, which means unpacking the source word and the word the space of wisdom from the informationized kind of dead zone. It's sort of like the dead word is what we're used to. Words that are signs, or symbols pointing to something else. Right?
Näthan:Rather than source word, which is a word that flows from source, from reality, which we all have access to. These markings give us almost like a step ladder in a way for our consciousness.
Ashok:Mind ladder. Yes.
Näthan:A mind ladder, a being ladder. Right? Or you could think of it as almost like training wheels. Since we have been so handicapped by the malware of the single bracket code of the information code, we need something to help us over time, and, yes, with repetition, friend, for here on out You know, rehab. Yes.
Näthan:To to so there's almost a gravitational pull to the malware, the single bracket. The information addiction has a gravitational pull. The trance has got us. Right? And we have to the whole point of this Sourcecast education is to begin to see with us in real time.
Näthan:You see it, and you see it again, and you see it again. That's not seeing information, guys. That's that's that's breaking the trance. Good. This is breaking the trance source cast is not about breaking the trance.
Näthan:We're gonna give you your homework and send you on your way. No. Join us, and let's break the trance right now in real time. So this this technology breakthrough, took me I grew up with it, and I you know, just like any of my students or anyone I present this to, they start off thinking, oh, yeah. I got that.
Näthan:Yeah. Okay. Sure. Sure. Double bracket, single bracket.
Näthan:Yeah. Higher space, lower space, but they're still informationizing it. So it takes a while to realize just how powerful it is. So when we put the double brackets there, those the double parenthesis, strokes, it's not that we're putting it there, something that wasn't there. It's it's saying source is always here, and source presides.
Näthan:The infinite presides. And that means source word as well. Because in mysticism and a lot of different, you know, spiritual ideologies, there's this almost absolutizing, which means making ultimate information language, and therefore, there's no speech that can touch the zone, which is nothing less than putting a severe gag order on your soul
Ashok:That's right.
Näthan:Being. And this gives that that being or or source selves the power to speak from a different place, to think in a different place, to be in that higher space. It's an it enables us. And just as much, the single brackets are not just being put there by us. They have not been called out before.
Näthan:Just like if you saw a sentence if you see a sentence and it's somebody saying something, but there's no quotation marks, you don't know that somebody's speaking necessarily. You throw the quotation marks on there. Oh, it's somebody is speaking right now. Well, think of the the single strokes as saying, oh, the malware is this is a malware based utterance. Right?
Ashok:Codet quotation. Codetation. Codetation.
Näthan:These are codetation marks. They they mark the the the two codes. Oh, now every word is has a double has two realms of meaning. You know? Like, you could take love versus fear in the single bracket space, but they're both they're both the objectified version of the words.
Näthan:And you say, don't choose fear. Choose love. Right? But you're still in the you're still in the malware, which is the space of fear, and being cut off from the zone, which is the space of love. So it's not choose love and not fear.
Näthan:It's choose love, not love. This is a whole new it's like being stuck in the horizontal flatland versus opening up that third dimension just as a metaphor or an analogy. It's opening up the vertical in that sense. And that vertical, that place that we wanna go that was always made into this lofty, out of reach, only for the few blessed beings that happen to just be endowed by God or source to be able to be that. When all of them were saying, no.
Näthan:This is your home too. That space now becomes instead of that being the alien strange, weird world that is up there somewhere and and what we call the normal everyday world that we're used to, that's that's down to earth. Hello. Switch it. The whole thing inverts now.
Näthan:What's down to earth, what's actually your native tongue, so to speak, is your source self, your source being. That's your native home. That's your native place. And we got used to the alien code, to put it that way. Got used to the malware, and we made that normal.
Ashok:Yeah. Well said. I have nothing more to say.
Näthan:Thank you for those that
Ashok:that So I I do have some to echo and build upon what what you're doing beautifully enough. It's that this is a technological when we got cyber code, we're here. We're already AI. AI's artificial alien intelligence can prepare to source indigenous wisdom, original word. So we normalize this stage on our way to the word.
Ashok:This derivative word, we we we got stalled here in the wall, intramural here, and thought, well, we got it. Became the fire of logos. Right? Mhmm. And so we absolutely made this the ultimate, and and the great teachers say, no, no, no.
Ashok:It's penultimate. It's not here. It's deeper. Take another step. Mind your minding.
Ashok:Become mindful, not mindless. This form of thinking cannot get you into this kind of awakening. Awakening is not something going on here. Awakening is precisely breaking this, the hole and captivity within this space to step back. We have that power.
Ashok:Why? Because we're rational beings. This is in us. Everyone. It's it's a democratization of awakened enlightened Christ, Buddha.
Näthan:Yes.
Ashok:Yes. Whatever name you use for the the higher, you Allah space. Whatever whatever your first language is, the point you're making is so important. This is a technology. It's not just a diagram.
Ashok:It's a hologram in the sense that if you really begin to see, oh, there's a deeper language when god speaks or scripture or Jesus or Buddha or Moses. Right, and or Muhammad, when these first responders are speaking from a deeper access to the source, it's a science. Because what? Because this source is a source of all of these words and all these narratives and all of these disciplines, arts and creativity and so forth. We couldn't be Einstein.
Ashok:We couldn't be Newton. We couldn't be Edison. We couldn't be the cyber innovation. We couldn't get to the moon without this. Nothing could be without this, but we're not honoring when you're inside the red zone.
Ashok:You're plagiarizing. Yep. You couldn't do this without that. And once you see that, the the circuit begins to be opened up. So this is this is technology.
Ashok:Mhmm. What is the ultimate technology now? Well, all our great ingenuity and creativity as artists, athletes, as improvisational, beautiful, aesthetic beings, moral political heroism and all of that. It couldn't be without this, but we don't see that. Are are you gonna take credit for it?
Ashok:Mhmm. Or you say thank god. To thank god for many people are humble enough to say that, but even that, you know, you're you're still in the derivative language. To give thanks is to step back and be thankful. Every moment when you hear it's giving thanks, sacred space.
Näthan:Sacred space.
Ashok:Breath. Every breath. Now you're in space of well-being. So the how to question is, okay. I can see the two languages.
Ashok:I can see the two technologies. This technology, great as it is, single record reason, is not source reason. And we're local kids. I get it now, we're rational beings. But this form of of contained reason, great as it is, and information, right, is not powerful enough.
Ashok:It's blocking a deeper access to rational life, zen in the moment, in the zone, in being, intimacy with being, which is beyond these words. Mhmm. So anyone who's using this language and demanding that you please give me the prescription that I can use my will because I'm a control freak. I'm here. I wanna control the story, and my will, my willpower, right, give me the steps.
Ashok:I'll follow them. I promise to get to that. Mhmm. And that's that's that doesn't work. Yeah.
Ashok:Right. So your main point, army, that informationized scripture, informationized science, informationized wisdom, which means when you it belongs here and we're trying to get it here is blocked.
Näthan:Yes. And when you said control control freak, I think I wanna really point that out because that could be sound like a put down. Now, I mean, everybody has to see the control freak in all of us, and the control freak
Ashok:What is a put down? Nothing. We're all in this.
Näthan:All in We're in using colloquial terms for something that really, what what we're saying is that's the addiction. But and what we're trying to do in that controlling is that we've because of that desourced condition, we're we're not feeling truly secure. I mean, I'm talking at the deepest levels, and how we've learned to supplement that that gaping hole, if you will, of uncertainty. If I can if I can master the narratives in my own personal life and and and beyond, then I'm in control. If I can get wisdom on my terms, then I can control it.
Näthan:And so and and every single one of these profound wisdom teachings in some way, shape, or form speak of a surrender, a letting go, a getting humble, a dying before you die, all of these. Why? Because that control, that version of security which is on our terms, I'm in control. You may not consider yourself a control freak, but you're it's such a deep need to feel secure. I got it.
Näthan:I've wrapped my head around it. The the wrapping your head around it syndrome, it's scary to unwrap your head around it. Right? That's what the double brackets that's what this code technology is doing. It's it's requiring a dilation into a space that we're not we're not the master of it.
Näthan:We're not controlling it. We're not God. You know? We're not the infinite. We are being held and made possible by the infinite as is every single thought, word, feeling, utterance is all made possible.
Näthan:The connectivity of sense. You know, think about it. I'm just saying a bunch of words. Right? No.
Näthan:I'm making sense. Well, what makes sense possible? It's not the it's not the computer code. It's not the the, you know, when I say computer code, mean ancient AI. It's not artificial human generated intelligence and synthesizing of thoughts and words.
Näthan:No. What makes it possible, any connection, any equation, any, I get it moment is is like a little glimmer of tapping into the infinite connectivity of the zone, which is where everything is connected. It's the only space that things connect can connect. So we don't understand. We're that's where the plagiarism comes in.
Näthan:We're we're, like, pulling from that resource of connectivity, but we're doing it on our terms. And in that sense, we're that's where the plagiarism comes in. We're we're not honoring where it's all coming from. So we're using our derivative word and making that ultimate. And we're so deeply addicted and attached to that, and the deeper part of that is that we're attached to being in that version of control.
Näthan:So there is a process that can be daunting, if not scary at times, of like, woah. And that's when we wanna go how to, how to, give me the steps, give me the steps, you know, pull it back to what I'm familiar with and what I'm used to. This is a process of sort of like, you know, you're dipping the toe in the water at first, and then you can kinda get in a little more, and then you get in a little more, you know. We're throwing you guys into the deep end. We're just saying, hey, come in.
Näthan:The water's great.
Ashok:And people are not permission in the language of of of consciousness and reason and rationality and volition and choice and freedom, to act. And that's what I'm saying. The will. How many people are sufficiently aware of the function of the human will, which is a power of reason and language that gives us choice and agency, and I will do it, an action. I wanna lose weight.
Ashok:I will diet. I want to be good in soccer. I will practice. I want to be a better Christian. I will worship.
Ashok:I will act. I will. There's a word will. And that's the control question. We are addicted to the will because that's my freedom, I think.
Ashok:But our great first teacher So that is not free will. That will is bound. How do I get to free will? To freedom, to the land of the free. It's not my will.
Ashok:This version of the derivative will, that's what the word the colloquial you can control freak or trip, whatever you want to say, is that you're attached to you're using your will to make a choice. So when the student or the disciple or the learner says, give me the steps so that I can act, I use my will, I will act. That's not free action. A philosopher such as Kant saw that all that's going on in informationized version of ourselves, the CV I have, that is my ID, and you're living here and that is your will and volition and your mental process and your judgment and your intelligence and your understanding and all of that, your knowledge is all here in here, but there's a deeper form of knowing. There's a deeper form of freedom.
Ashok:And if the free will is here, what? It's not my will be done, but source will be done, which means what? The law of this field of infinite connectivity and unity. It's not that things are connected. There are no things, separate Lego entities.
Ashok:There is only interconnectivity. It's not that you have kids. Like here's a is the father of B. A and B there's no A and B apart. No.
Ashok:It's in the relation. So there are no things. Things come from here. It's a thing. Here's the the desk is brown.
Ashok:The person is five feet tall. The properties of a thing, thing comes from here. But this is like no. This is beyond thing. The self, me, when I step out of this, here's a trance.
Ashok:We're deeply entranced here, and it's captured. So when you say free yourself from mental slavery, it means your will is bound, your life is bound, you are bound, your life is rigged. And you're not a free agent. You're not in the land of the free. You're not a free agent.
Ashok:The Buddha got that. Jesus got that. Krishna is teaching it. All of our great first teachers, Plato, Socrates were were saying leave the cave and come into the lowest and know thyself. All of these first responders are trying to get us to the place of freedom.
Ashok:Mhmm. To leave bondage and come to freedom. This is huge.
Näthan:Yes. Yes.
Ashok:And and that's really I just wanna bring out the will. People don't understand, oh, do I have a free will? The first amendment. My amendment rights. Right?
Ashok:The first amendment is here. Mhmm. Right? It's a hue. It's a demos, the people, the the material persons, the citizens, the indigenous people who are coming to their source land, that you become in the land of the free.
Ashok:It's not geography. Mhmm. It's not it's not physical land. It's, if there's a word for, the ecology of the mind, when you're more mindful, a mindful sapien. Right?
Ashok:You know, when you're in the yoga space, the Christ space, Buddha space, Moses at the burning bush space. When you're in sacred space, that's the land of the free. And and and what we're bringing out is we didn't have the technology clarified. The the the the the two languages are conflated, and it was chaos. Remove the red lines.
Ashok:Remove the blue lines, and that's what we got. And all the action of thinking says, you're deeper than this, you're better than this. But if you're saying it here without understanding, it's a call to go to a deeper technology. And all of our technologies, are borrowed from the Source, we couldn't be without the source. Once we get that right, in a way of existential plagiarism of acting as if you're self sustaining and not being sustained, once you begin to see that, now you're beginning to question the tyranny of the code.
Ashok:It's a form of tyranny and imprisonment. And we don't know. We're normalizing it. And so the teaching now is telling me what to do. And so in the infamous Christian say, is it works?
Ashok:Am I going to act and do the right thing and avoid evil and do right and be virtuous and pious and act right? If I do that, will I be saved? And they come back to know, by grace you will be saved. Which means what? The Source, grace, love, compassion, reality, being, meaning, authenticity is holding you.
Ashok:Get out of the way. Step back. And that's really what the technology that you're bringing up. The new kind of teaching technology is not to coach here and advise the person who is in this form of literacy and to give the wisdom here. Informationized wisdom and teaching is not going to address the technology of crossing into a deeper form of literacy.
Ashok:That's the main point. And now we have the technology, not just the marketing of paper. But when that comes to life, when people join us, when my students begin to get it and say, oh, if I use a word here like space, and I don't say space, oh, space is open, it's vast, and time. So be here now. You can't be here now.
Ashok:It's all time now over here is boundlessly connected. It's infinite. How about me? Here I'm bound. But if I can open up into the zone in my peak performance in the I'm space, I am a free agent now.
Ashok:I'm free range being. I'm in communion. And often when the two languages are fudge and and confused, you hear people say, I am god. When that language is confused with this and you have a moment of touching into this, I thou. No.
Ashok:You're never the infinite. You can't use the I am God when you're in the intimacy of connection, of communion with the source in yoga, in Buddha, in Christ. When you're ascribed, you're not God. You're intimate. You're connected.
Ashok:With a field. When you are in I Thou, the Thou is other. And this is the ultimate Thou. When people talk about an alien appearance, the source of any alien from any galaxy can't be outside of this. And so this alien appearance is already here right now already.
Ashok:Mhmm. But we're blocked and can't see it. Can you imagine? If you use God talk, God is here. Yahweh Allah Brahman Obtao here.
Ashok:But not in here. It's holding. Mhmm. So when Quakers would say there's god in every person, it's true. It's a science.
Ashok:It's an axiom. God is in every person. The infinite is holding you. You're you're not god, but people don't know how to say when you're in communion, when you're in this town. It's not that you are the infinite.
Ashok:You're one with the infinite, but you're not god. But if it's the only language you have and you feel the intimacy with the infinite, you're no longer artificially finite. Right? But when you're coming into here, you are now going to be finite in a deeper, profound way of being finite. You're interfacing with the infinite and you're you're you're intimate and and and connect in the flow, it feels as if you're interfacing with the otherness of the infinite right within you.
Ashok:There's no barrier between you and the infinite in communion, in Christ consciousness or whatever. Right? And then we can translate it here and say, I am God, which is which is a code mistake. Mhmm. We should we should have a name for when when you make a category mistake here, you you you try to say something anonymous space and time and accurate.
Ashok:If it's since space and time, you got the categories confused. But when you confuse this code with this speech, that's a code mistake.
Näthan:Yeah. Yeah. That's what we mean by conflated. And everybody's conflated by default. And this this, like, ugh, it's like it's like giving your soul breathing room to embody and to emerge and to you know?
Näthan:So what we're talking about here, without this, we're left to try and deal with the sense of the the vacuum inside, which mind you, is we're used to it. And we we identify so many things that we think are gonna get us to to happiness, and we're very much addicted to that process. I'm gonna once I attain a, b, and c, I'm certain that I'm gonna be there, and then I'm gonna be happy. How many stories do we have to hear about, say, somebody becoming famous or rich and then realizing it was not all that? How many times do we have to experience it ourselves that we thought we were gonna be happy once A, B, and C happened, and then there's still something missing.
Näthan:What's missing? You. Your your true nature, your your out of free from the trance, your free being version of yourself is what you're missing. That part of you that is not infinite, but of the infinite and with the infinite. And and that's where the fulfillment is.
Näthan:That's where, you know, we're putting we're always putting the cart before the horse, as we like to say. I like to say we're putting the cart before the source. Right? We were trying to get we're trying to get the thing, and then we're not consciously thinking this, but we assume that that's gonna fill this thing that's inside of us. So then we hear about enlightenment, or we hear about the double bracket space, or we hear about breaking the trance or liberation, and we can very easily pull that back into the same thing.
Ashok:How do I get there?
Näthan:I want that. It's not wrong to want that. It's not wrong to want liberation, but then to go and put it back into the trance space, there's nothing we can do in the trance space that's gonna get us out of the trance. It's really that simple. And we do have to wrap up right now, but I just wanted to say to everyone, as my closing words, is this process is is unique for everyone.
Näthan:There is a universe there are universal themes for certain blocks and barriers and even phobias, which we I think we're gonna kinda go further into in episode 14, the things that kinda keep us in the trance. And remember, the trance is not a place of happiness. It's not a place of well-being. It's not a place of freedom. And we can so easily just try to fend off, almost like if you've been in a cave for so long and you got your eyes got adjusted to the dark, sometimes when you start to see the light that's outside of the cave, it's like it's like, ah, it's too bright.
Näthan:You know, you wanna you wanna close your eyes because it's too bright. That's a metaphor for kind of what we're when we're used to the cave, when we're used to the trance, breaking the trance can feel a little bit like an overload. So this is I wanna just say to everybody as my parting words for for now, be gentle with yourself. This is a this should be really, really good news that that this is here now. This technology is here now.
Näthan:We have a way of moving into what we know is our true nature as individuals and eventually, hopefully, as an entire species, as a as a polis, as a people. You know? But it's a process. And I just wanna say be gentle with yourselves. We're not here finger shaking about any of this.
Näthan:Our passion, my passion deeply, is to help you liberate yourself from from this from this profoundly all encompassing, malware that we got used to in the most loving and gentle way possible. You know? You gotta love yourself through this process. It is a learning process, but not an accumulation of information kind of learning, but more like a getting the swing of it. You know?
Näthan:Or getting the swing of it over time. You expose yourself to this over and over again. You'll start to see, wow, you'll start to activate that that higher mind that can see the connectivity on a whole deeper level, and then that empowers us to kick the habit, right, to put down the addiction and all of the other addictions that spring from it. And I'm just saying that that, like, enjoy this process. Be joyous because we can do this now, and we can we can actually arrive in this whole new space.
Näthan:And there's no this isn't a black and white thing, like, we're bad until we get to the source zone or anything. It's not like that. It's just understanding, like, we did get cut off from source, and that's a kind of deep illness. And we want to get well. And that is something that nothing that we can put in our mouths or any techniques that we is gonna do that part.
Näthan:All of the things that we have, all of the medicines, all of the practices, techniques, they're all beautiful, and they're amazing tools that are also god given, so to speak, infinite given, and made and made possible by the source. But we must none of those things are gonna break the trance. And the only thing that's gonna break the trance is our is our deeper intelligence, our deeper mind. To get out of the lower mind, we have to access our deeper mind, and that's what this is this is about, continuously. So keep being with us.
Näthan:Keep joining us. It's it's gonna sink in more and more and more. We're not gonna stop. We're gonna keep going. There's no running out of this, the ways of of bringing this through, and we're just gonna keep it going, guys.
Näthan:It's just all I ask is that you stay with us and be gentle and kind to yourselves.
Ashok:Beautifully said, Nath, and it is a loving another judgmental thing. Judgmentalism is here, but this is is source medicine on existential ontological being. It's a deeper medical science, medical ontology of getting this technology of a deeper language. And I find over years of teaching my students, when you have any word here, any word here, when you put it here, it opens up powerfully. And when you it's like language learning.
Ashok:Oh, you know, to go from English to Zenglish, to Zen language. Mhmm. Right? And you could learn it because you take a word like time and say, oh, time here is past, present, future. When you come here, time is now, or every word is infinitely connected.
Ashok:I'm learning it and space is not separate space. Space and time and mind and word and word, they're all interconnected. Why? Because of the infinite unifying force. So just by learning, it's almost like learning a new language.
Ashok:It is a new language. What this learning and it's a language learning lab to go from a derivative form of literacy to a source form of literacy. Mhmm. And all of the words that we're familiar familiar with in all the languages, French, German, Hebrew, Swahili, whatever the language, Chinese, when you take the analog word and put it here, it opens up. And when you put yourself here to here, oh, damn.
Ashok:Mhmm. That feels good. You know? So you you and that that is a technological shift in teaching, not informationized teaching Mhmm. But trans informationized.
Ashok:Trans and trans breaking the trance. Yeah. Yeah.
Näthan:So yeah. I just wanna say a really quick part to that because it just is too good to to to not bring it through. Because what we we we like practical. Right? We like pragmatic.
Näthan:We like that's what that's what whole thing is about. Like, the how to question. I wanna get there. Give me the practice. I want a practical answer.
Näthan:There's nothing more practical than breaking the trance and upgrading your consciousness because this affects every aspect of your life. Just take love, for example. We can't find love in the trance. We cannot get the other person. We cannot honor the sacredness of of the other being really, and we cannot get the other being to fulfill us, all of the dynamics.
Näthan:Think about the the huge universal problems and breakdowns just in relationships between two partners alone, let alone parent and child or brother and sister, whatever. All of the relations that we have. But think about how much just understanding to be able to be in the I, thou space and the other person is is sacred and whole unto themselves and and other to you, but yet there is deep connection. I mean, there's there's there's endless ways that this is the most practical thing for the well-being as it actually plays out in our lives. It's not some esoteric thing, oh, isn't that great to know?
Näthan:Meanwhile, back to Earth. No. This isn't Earth. The Earth that we're used to is not not Earth. We're we're we're blocked from it.
Näthan:We're blocked from each other, and we're blocked from ourselves. I just I just really had to say that.
Ashok:Thank you for saying that. Thank you. I I wish you the point that and I just want to end as I like usually to do is that this is not we happen to be situated in The USA, America, in North America, United States, but this is not addressing our colleagues and friends and neighbors and co citizens in America. It's for all the human family. We're reaching out to the entire human family because we're all in this together in a global space.
Ashok:And there's an earth here, there's an earth here. There's a humanity here, but then there's a deeper humanity. This is when there's a human awakening. It's a change to a deeper form of literacy and intelligence and compassion and ethics and reason and knowledge and truth and well-being and healing. And this is for all the human family and we're not being judgmental.
Ashok:We were seeking with all the great first responders to join in that love medicine. You can see from Nathan's powerful teaching power that he does hold workshops and tutorials with people. And there's a way if you'd like, if you're moved and you'd like to get a deeper
Näthan:In the description, just come find the link and yeah, you can work with me directly.
Ashok:I'm recommending.
Näthan:Thank you Thanks for always doing that. I do appreciate it.
Ashok:No, it's true. If you in other words, one follow-up is contact this guy, and he he has a way of reaching you wherever you are on the planet and can help you with tutorials to get the language shift with this technology.
Näthan:Yeah. In a way that that we can apply directly to what your real lived experience is and you'll see it.
Ashok:You customize it to each person where you are in whatever life situation, relationships, political situation, ecology. This is the most powerful transformer. Yes. Reach out to the sky and you'll see a link for that. Thank you so much everyone for being with us as ever, if there's anyone out there.
Ashok:Addressing everyone we don't know, but Nathal and I join us in this conversation where we try to have a heart to heart with what we're facing, with the most profound issues facing our human family now in this moment of crisis. Thank you all.
Näthan:Anyway Thank you guys. Yeah. Really appreciate it. See you next time. Please come to the back.
Ashok:Bye bye.
Näthan:We are the people. Yes. So welcome to the promised land.
