(( Born in |Captivity| ))
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Speaker 1:This is episode 11, born in captivity.
Speaker 2:Hi, Nath.
Speaker 1:Yo, dad. How's it going?
Speaker 2:Really well. Good meeting my students around the clock for midterm. Deep dialogues is going really well. I'm in a bit of a marathon, but I'm feeling good. I'm ready for this conversation.
Speaker 2:Good. And we wanna pick up where we left off last time. So what's on your mind, buddy? Well,
Speaker 1:welcome to episode 11. We we decided every ten ten episodes will take a week to regroup, and this is episode 11 now. So we're happy to be back. And, our last episode, we we challenged the the whole belief, not any belief systems or system, but belief itself and and automatic belief and the ways that we get sort of our attention gets captured into saying thumbs up or thumbs down to whatever narratives are flying at us, but we don't know how to say thumbs down to the whole endeavor and just pause and stop and step back and just not, you know, to become the observer, to become the witness, to to listen but to not vote, and the importance of that in terms of gaining human freedom, and agency, which is really where we wanna go today or we wanna dare to say something as bold as we're not free. We think we have free will, but we don't truly have free will.
Speaker 1:Our free will is bound. It's our free will is is severely handicapped. Our free will is is held in a kind of, predetermined mode. We may not actually be free when we think we're free and we're choosing what we're choosing and we're navigating through our lives. And, you you know, we've been talking a lot about doom scrolling, and people talk about doom scrolling on their on their phones or their computers.
Speaker 1:You know, life is has been a doom scroll for a long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If you think about it, day day after day, moment after moment, these, like, silo boxes of paying attention to this, and now you're paying attention to that, and paying attention to this, and everything's block, block, block, block, It's life is a big one big doom scroll of which the literal, you know, smartphone version of it is just the latest iteration of that. But but it's it's actually speaks to to, you know, a mode of life, a mode a mode of being that's not actually free. And and in a in a way, I think a lot of people are are sensing this. They have this feeling like we're we're almost, like, under control, and we're trying to point at it. Like, who's controlling it?
Speaker 1:Who's who's who's in charge of the matrix, so to speak, and these kinds of thoughts. But it's it's not somebody or some some nefarious plan. I'm I'm sure there's beings on the planet who are actually trying to take advantage of the fact that our wills, our free will is so credulous and and and willing to be taken kinda anywhere, believe in whatever's coming at us, but it's much deeper than that. I think that's what we've been pointing out through this whole journey of breaking the trance is, which which means to become free, really. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Breaking the trance means to get out of to get out of the the doom scroll life that that that is age as old as the hills. You know? It's just it's just accelerated to the point we're living at now, but but breaking the trance means to break out of the space of suffering of it's almost a kind of hellish, a normalized hellish existence where we just keep on going through the motions, and we keep on going from this to this to this to this, and there's a linear blocked out time, days, weeks, months, years, year, year, year. You live, you grow, you you make get a living. You try to hack it for as long as you can.
Speaker 1:You retire and you wither away, and that's life and pass it on to your kids and woo hoo. You know? And I think a lot of us are afraid to stop and go like, woah. What's the point of all this? Like, really?
Speaker 1:Because when we were to look at at if we were to denormalize it and step back as we continually ask you to do, we go, you gotta be brave to do that. You know? Because you got you gotta go, wow. This really is what is the point of all this? It's like it's almost like we we need to entertain ourselves and distract ourselves and occupy ourselves as much as possible for as much of the time as possible.
Speaker 1:Whatever mission we're on, whatever dangling carrot we're chasing, whatever life goal, we just we gotta stay on it. Because if we dare pause and step back, we may find out that we're not free and we're not living the life that we actually are here to live and want to live. And, I mean, this is this is a matter of, like, the most essential human right is freedom to be. And we and we think that the therefore, the goal is to overcome the external oppressors and put the things in place that protect that, like governments and and whatnot. And, of course, that's important.
Speaker 1:But what if we had all that in place, but we're still not free? What if we're free to not be free?
Speaker 2:What if we have an internal tyrant, an internal
Speaker 1:An in exactly. An inter internal authoritarian regime in all of us, and we can't see. It's so easy to point out there and point over there to the bad guy over there. Right? And they of course, they exist.
Speaker 1:But the real power is taking that pointer inward. Could I be my own tyrant? Could I be my own or could I at the very least, could I be unaware that I'm bound in a way that isn't free, that my will is bound, my mind is bound. Even my emotions, my feelings, my my experiences, everything's bound, and we're just we haven't experienced what it's like to be out of that, so it's normalized. And then all of the pathologies that spring from that that way of being that we refer to sometimes as being desourced.
Speaker 1:If to be fully alive and to be truly free is to be in the infinite source field that's all around us all the time here and now, right now, where you just where you sit or stand or walk or jog as you're listening to this or watching this, it's right here and right now. We're not how come we're not experiencing that? Well, we're we're desourced. Our our wills are bound. Our we're we we we can't where I wanna toss the the ball to you, dad, is, you know, this point of that, in a way, we're kind of born bound, you know, as opposed to born free.
Speaker 1:I think we call kind of assume that freedom is a is a given. But in a way, we we have to mature into freedom. We have to say, yes. I am. We have to step into it.
Speaker 1:It's not gonna just happen. And if we don't step back and address this, it's not gonna happen. And we're basically missing our lives, and our lives are just going going by. And all of these all the, you know, the the house of cards feeling that we're all experiencing right now in in our own lives and in society, that's the inevitable result of a species that has not matured to the level of true human freedom. And all of the antics that surround that are what we're seeing now, and the thing is crumbling.
Speaker 1:We know it. We feel it crumbling on so many levels. So this is of utmost importance, guys, to to to to to dare, to be brave and courageous enough to hit pause, you know, in the spirit of what we've been saying and with especially the last episode, to arrest all believing or nonbelieving. Just step back and listen with us because this is not information delivery. This is actually a journey we're taking you on to breaking the trance, to to to arriving in your true higher self, if you wanna put it that way.
Speaker 1:So those those are kind of my opening thoughts, dad, and I you've had some amazing things to say about it over the last couple of weeks as we've been gearing up for this one, and I would love for you to just
Speaker 2:say what you're thinking about all this. Nalini, what you just went over was amazing. It was a profound diving into the question of the human condition. But it's problematic, and I want to kind of bring a question back to you. You said many things, and it appears as if even though we think of humans as born with as a free being, you're saying could we it could be that when we're born, we're born into a captivity.
Speaker 2:We talked about the the the software of the mind, the culture, language that environment, whether a newborn comes out with the mother and the family and the siblings or whatever the context of birthing in, you're already entering into a space that is prebound. And so the child is already mind bound by the codes of language and thought and making sense, and people are not sufficiently critically aware that there is a it's beautiful to have information and to living in Google space for millennia information. Computers is just one way of bringing out heightening the power and multiplying it, accelerating it of information. But we are information sapiens. And in other words, when we learn to speak, we're already involved in a code of language, a code of reason.
Speaker 2:And we don't even know if it is free or not. And all of our life, you beautifully point out, right, that language is bound, culture is bound, my life is bound, and maybe we're all doom scrolling through life in that space. And so many, and one of the things we brought out again in one through 10, looking at the 2,500 history on the planet of great pioneering responders who are saying, humans, in one way or the other, whether it's called you're born in sin, you're born in samsara, you know, or we're in mental slavery, we're going free the mind, and all in all, and the liberation is just to face the software of the mind, which we haven't been able to do. Mhmm. It's it's implanted deeper in the human family, and it was a major stage of evolutionary development.
Speaker 2:We know that now. To develop language and tame the fire of logos, reason, the field, the source, as you call it. Right? And so if we are in our human development and adolescent stage where we're born into a logic, into a matrix, into a code, it's just we learn to use language. And there are many, many, of course, so many different languages with a different complexity and grammars and so forth.
Speaker 2:Yes. They're diverse, but they're all sharing a deep logic. Mhmm. That's known. And the logic is is the logos code that so as we know it, reason, culture, how it makes sense, how we interpret, the lens of the mind.
Speaker 2:All of these points we made before. And people don't realize when you're just born and learning the language, you're buying in. You're breathing in that whole matrix. You're born into the matrix. And if it's by if it's a binary logic and it binds the human being, then you're born bound.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And if the will, the human will, which is a great faculty of choice, which you just said in number 10, said, folks, let's try to excavate our will. Because if we're born into a culture that's already mind binding, word binding, reason binding, life binding, scrolling, doom scrolling, if we're born into that, then this is huge. Because as you rightly point out, what's one of the greatest prize that a human, a person, a mature human being, prizes is freedom. If our freedom is compromised, and we don't even know that, and I can vote, I'm going to bring this back to you now, because when people can we can vote, I can say yes or no, I can choose this or that in my everyday life. I've got a binary logic.
Speaker 2:I can say yes or no. Isn't that choice? Isn't that free choice? You know? So if we want to help friends, whoever may be listening, and this is really a conversation between you and me to figure this out.
Speaker 2:If anyone's, you know, listening, know, we're we're we're we're trying to sort this out ourselves, hopefully, others can get something from it. But but I I want to figure out if we have a yes or no vote. We can vote. But if we're in a software where we're hacked, if we're born into a hack hacked space and therefore we're gullible and credulous, What we did in the last couple of sessions before, number 10, is can you stop believing? Already that's tapping into the freedom.
Speaker 2:Because if I can say, woah, pause, step back, withhold your consent Mhmm. Where there's a will. Right? I didn't realize I was even consenting. Consenting to what?
Speaker 2:To any belief system. I'm a scientist. I'm a religious person. I'm a citizen. I'm an artist.
Speaker 2:I'm a lover. Whatever it is that we're doing, right, if we're all in the same boat of of let's call it a code, a grammar, a logic, a matrix, a, know, an algorithm, whatever name you wanna use. If we're born into that, then damn, we're already hacked. Mhmm. And we humans have to get out of it.
Speaker 2:And what you're saying is that everything in our human condition is going to be a result of the hack job. Mhmm. And if the will is bind bound, we've got a free willy. That's one of things we laughed about recently. We gotta free our wills.
Speaker 2:And when you say step back and pause, hit the pause button, that's a great moment. Why? Because I didn't really realize that my common sense of looking at the world and making the world, whatever culture you're in are multicultural. You know, you're all different ways of making sense, and you're using you're in the algorithm already. And it allows us to think and see and be and feel and be a human at that level.
Speaker 2:But if it turns out by our great wisdom keepers who broke that barrier and say, woah, humans are bound deeply, whatever name you use, and therefore it cuts us off from source. And then you use that word source, which is what the field of being, the field of reality. A deeper logos, a deeper word, a deeper intelligence, the light of reason, awakened mind, mindfulness, when you can mind your minding. There you go right there. If we're minding, we don't have to step back and mind our minding, which is a major step towards being a full liberated human being.
Speaker 2:Then we've got to say, you know, think of it free at last. If we could step back from the bindery and begin to feel the agency, the autonomy, the dignity of a person, and you realize I've been bound all my life. I've been captured by a narrative or a number of narratives. Mhmm. Right?
Speaker 2:That's the moment. So that was what we hoped to do at the end of last conversation. So I love the way you brought this up now. But what what help me help help us sort this out because a skeptic might say, I got choice. I can vote one way or the other.
Speaker 2:I can choose to get married or not married. I can have children. Do you mean I don't have choice? So I'd like to talk about that. How can I be bound if I have a binary choice?
Speaker 1:Yeah. You know what? I'm brought to think about when I work with my clients and and the one on one thing. A lot of times and I I call myself a life guide instead of a life coach because a lot of the life coach method is like and I'm I'm not saying this is everyone, but the the general feeling that I get of life coaches and self help gurus and and and the like are you too can get what you want. You can get what you want.
Speaker 1:You just have to believe. You just gotta, like, commit to it. You just can't take no for an answer and all these kinds of and that sets so this like a coach going like, don't give up. Da da da. And that's really
Speaker 2:That's a will. And that's that's a will.
Speaker 1:But then what I say to my to my clients is is, but have you even asked yourself why you want what you want? What what if what you want is not even actually what you want? What if you're just hypnotized because your will is hacked? You're hypnotized, and and you're desourced. By the way, this is very important.
Speaker 1:To be desourced is a very painful situation. Right. And then to normalize it on top of that, which is what we've somehow done as a species, that's that's a very dire situation. And so people are feeling a deep chasm, a deep unfulfilledness. And we go we were driven by this need, whether whatever catches our eye.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's to be a star and get a lot of adoration or fame or or to become really successful and make a lot of money and so you can have any woman or man you want or, you know, or whatever it is that we decide is like, that's what I want. Right? That that's what I want vote was coming from being desourced and not free in the first place. Yeah. So the actual we actually get sucked into or voting for I want this president or I want that president or I you know, so we think we're choosing, but our but our choosing is already predetermined from a condition, a condition of being where we are in a way, it's like it's a deeply forlorn state of being that we don't even know is not normal.
Speaker 1:It's almost like like when we call when we say that somebody has depression as though we don't all have depression. The whole culture is depressed. And then on that scale, you've got less depressed and more depressed. But the whole if the culture is desourced and we don't understand why and we're driven to to latch onto this or latch onto that or chase chase after that or run from this or run from that, whatever it is, think about all of these choices that we're making are being made from a place of being bound and being desourced and being to put it as simply as possible, not being happy. Not being happy, not being fulfilled.
Speaker 1:It's and and and not knowing what to do about So we're forced to do something. We have to do something about this gaping hole. We've gotta find a way to fill this hole. And then think about how many relationships we go into because this person is the one I've been looking for because they're the one that's gonna fill this hole. They're the one that's gonna make me feel loved.
Speaker 1:They're the one that's gonna, you know, complete me or whatever. I mean, you guys I'm sure you can think of a gazillion examples of how we get sucked into these goose chases. That's not a free will. That's not free will. We're we're not even we're not even coming from a place of of of fulfillment to begin with.
Speaker 1:And so the and so then that's what being with sources to be to break the trance is to come into the space of true, unbound free will. So it's not that we don't have a kind of choice, to answer your question. People think they have a choice. People like, I'm choosing, and I just dare to say to dare you to ask yourself, are you though? Or are your choices predetermined?
Speaker 1:Are your choices predictable? Are they really coming from a place of freedom? And so what we're saying is that there's a there's a deeper will, a deeper vote, a deeper free choice, a deeper freedom to be that nobody's talking about. We're just we're all in it like, you're free to have what you want, you know, the secret and whatnot to manifest what you want, manifest where you're free. Know?
Speaker 1:He said, no. No. No. No. We're saying something way deeper.
Speaker 1:Like, we're saying step out of that whole box, that whole space, that whole boxing space. Step back where the the space of freedom, the space of free mind, the space of free will is a really badass place. And it's the other point that I don't wanna lose of what I said earlier is it's very intimidating to do this. We're not saying la di da like, oh, yeah. By the way, you're not really free.
Speaker 1:Just all you gotta do is step back. You know? There's a lot of courage that it takes to go because you gotta put you gotta put everything in your life in question. I mean, it that's a breaking a trance is a big deal, guys. And and, so I I don't know if that that that answered your question to your satisfaction, but that's my response to it, that we're talking
Speaker 2:about a deeper form of choice, a deeper vote. That's right. Nothing new. You're doing beautifully in trying to break up this difficult point because if people really realize and breaking the trance is breaking free, because the trance is mind software that allows us to see and to think and to feel and to relate and to have a culture and to have a life and a religion, ideology, and my discipline or art or whatever it is. All of that is under a mind operating process.
Speaker 2:People, you know Malware? Yeah. Yeah. It's malware. And a great first by the way, what you're saying is it's been echoed for centuries by our great first teachers and first responders.
Speaker 2:And and they they realize that something has to happen to become liberated. Buddha would say that if you're living in the everyday to exist, it's to it's to suffer at the place where the human common sense humans are because they haven't become mindful. And and they suffer and break because the malware that you're in fragments and makes Lego entities and pieces, and and you're a Lego sapien, not a logos or or Buddha sapien or a Christ sapien or a Yoga sapien. All of these great technologies are are are addressing this point you're making. And so you're not it's not just your opinion Yeah.
Speaker 2:Arthur or my opinion. It's the consensus of our great first teachers across the planet for millennia. Right? Socrates, unless you leave the cave, you can't come step into the Logos until the light of reason. What is that?
Speaker 2:Awakening the mind. Why does that happen? You break a barrier. What barrier? Jesus is saying unless you die, you can't be born again.
Speaker 2:What's that? Let go of the narratives that you've that's grabbed you, that you've been hacked with. If you can't stop the hacking, you cannot be born again. So all these metaphors, unless you can get to the let go and separate from from wherever you are in the culture code that you're living in and enter into the Aum, into the Yogi. You can't do yoga, which is union with being, with reality.
Speaker 2:So these are all calls to get real. And agency, humiliating with what you're describing, is if the human being himself herself is bound and is an adolescent form of maturation, and breaking the trance and stepping in, minding your minding, and and and breaking that barrier into becoming a free range human, that's free at last. Mhmm. And I wanna just develop that point because let's get it let's get it tangible to to to pick up where you left off. Because if I'm born say, family, whatever it is, has a religion, and I'm born into that religion.
Speaker 2:And from day one, I'm being oriented towards that. Right? Or worldview or a way to see reality and believe it. I'm learning that way from my upbringing. Right?
Speaker 2:I'm born into that narrative. And if that's all I see, and then my life gets more complicated as I leave home, or even while I'm home, I see other people have other ways of living. There are other worlds. Why are we fighting? What is this about?
Speaker 2:Well, ideologies are clashing. Why? Because we can't connect one or the other. What's going on here? Irreparable wars and violence and objectification, holocaust and genocide, and sexism and racism, homophobia, all of these disorders as you begin to see what's going on.
Speaker 2:What what about it's your belief system. If you believe that so and so or, you know, or science is the only truth and religion and spirituality and God doesn't matter, that's a belief system. Well, in a way, that's mind binding. You're bound by your ideology. And if you're not able to and this is a huge point now.
Speaker 2:What happens when you dilate and step back from the binary, the binary binary being hacked into shedding that into a deeper open rational space, an open mind, a mindful mind, entering into presence, into the deeper field of reality, and now you're surfing in that space. And you see that other persons are also meeting you, and the work of art and nature and everything around you is amazingly on it's it's it's sacred. Mhmm. And and and you're not bound by a one word of I can dialogue. That's the point I want to bring out.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. One of the marks of being a free agent, a free being, is when you're a step back from being bound by a rigid closed lens and perspective, a narrative. You're bound by your narrative, and therefore your belief system, your religion, your ideology, your politics, whatever it is. Right? And I want and you all your wants and desires and needs and agendas are inscribed within that.
Speaker 2:Yep. And Exactly. Different group of people who have a different narrative going on in their binary will see the world differently, have different truth, and different agendas. And if there's a collision, right, then there's going to be breakdown of human relations, violence, and objectification, and all kinds of disorders Mhmm. Coming from being in the binary.
Speaker 2:So what you're bringing out along with all the great scriptures and first teachers who are attempting to escort escort humans from an adolescent space to cross into a deeper open free range, to come into agency. That's the moral law. This is huge. What is freedom? It's surfing the law.
Speaker 2:What law? The law of what do you call it? Of logos, of Sofia, of the field, of God, of Yahweh, of Allah. Right, of Brahman, of Om. What what's going on here?
Speaker 2:It's everything is interconnected in a nonviolent way. That's the field. That's the fabric of reality. Mhmm. That's the liberating code.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. And if you can start to surf that, then everything opens up, including yourself. It's not just your belief system bound your will and your your your lens, but your you are bound. And to become a free agent is to enter into that open space where you can breathe and where love can flow and ethics and aesthetic, art and beauty.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You try to just build on what you're saying. And that that's going from a derivative, pre premature human
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:In a fluorescent matrix of captivity to liberate you. So all of the attempts to find freedom within that captivity has not worked. Mhmm. Mhmm. Again, it's the greatest value of a human to be to come to be.
Speaker 2:You say it's your self realization. If you can break that barrier and break that trance and realize it was so deep you couldn't see it. So I want to give that back to you and say, yes, I think you're getting the reason why, although we see we have choice in the binary, either or space, that form of language and culture making and technology, which gives us amazing, gives us information, it gives us a belief system, but it also creates divisiveness. The binary is also
Speaker 1:It creates
Speaker 2:what again? Divisive. Oh, divisiveness. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And divisions, and we don't have a human sacred space. We don't have a culture. We don't have we, the people. So what you're talking about if we for example, we're we're not focused primarily on the American cultural lab, but if we turn to that, it'll be a point to make that if you consider we are the land of the free and the home of the brave, and we've ended slavery, and women can vote, and on and on and on. But we can all be doing that still in the binary.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. And we're not free at last. Mhmm. We're we're bound again. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:We're abhorring against that. You know? I'd like you to take over now.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Because because, I mean, we did a show some years ago, it might be as much as six years ago, called Why Activism Fails for this Purpose. Because, you know, all of those breakthroughs, they're they're wonderful. And now we can see a lot of those breakthroughs are being trying to be reversed and undone. But but it's it it speaks to this isn't just about, oh, wouldn't it be nice to be free?
Speaker 1:This is a matter of our human dignity and survival and thrival as a and we can't do that if we're all in our own silos and we don't know how to be outside of being bound by our our particular ideologies, and I'm gonna tolerate you. You know, tolerance is used as a word as a good thing, but we shouldn't have to tolerate each other because, you know, you're just as long as you stay over there, we'll stay over here. It's we're we're prevented from becoming a truly harmonious when you said everything in reality in the infinite space is is is interconnected in a nonviolent way, and yet we can see that humans aren't in a nonviolent way. Why? That's right.
Speaker 1:Because of this bound will, because we don't because we don't know how to make that crucial ends and scary step of of daring to step back from that version of the will, which is kind of a power trip. You know? It's a we're power tripping on the will. Funny enough, to power trip on the will is to be, not free, to not have a free will. But the truly free will, you know, to have the courage to step back, that's the choice.
Speaker 1:That's the step Buddha was talking about. It wasn't a binary choice within within the matrix, so to speak. It was that it was the choice to step back from that matrix, to step back from the software, to step back from the ideology, the lens. You know? Because we're not going to be able to be a free country, let's say, here in in The United States or every anywhere.
Speaker 1:We're not gonna be able to be a free a land of the free anywhere if we are failing to to see what the great teachers have been calling up all these centuries, which is the very essence of liberation, of freedom, of being human, of love for God's sake, is to step back from that from that that bound version of the will. And and I just I think that the the main thing that we we wanna get across in this particular offering is is like, look. If we just assume that we are free and just carry on like this, this whole shit show is just gonna keep getting worse and worse as we've been witnessing, and things are things are collapsing. It's not sustainable. So this isn't like a, oh, wouldn't it be nice to to to try this out?
Speaker 1:This is a matter of life and death. You know, it's funny. Your your true happiness is a matter of life and death. Your freedom is a matter of life and death, the freedom of of us as a people. That's why breaking the trance is of utmost importance is why we're doing this show.
Speaker 1:So I don't know where we are standing on on TimeWise. I think we're getting getting close to to needing to wrap this up, but I know that where I'm coming from is this is really exciting because this is not a new idea. We're bringing it to you in a kind of a contemporary lingo. Right? But this is an age old call of, you could say, the higher angels of humanity, so to speak, or the first responders as we call them when we reference the teachers that we revere through the ages that have been calling us to the space of true freedom.
Speaker 2:The land of the free.
Speaker 1:The land of the free. Yes. Yes. So all of those teachings are valid now, but again, in our age old information age, Google age, AI age, as we called out ancient AI, all of those teachings include including the ones that are coming out today, there's lots of people saying really beautiful stuff, but it's just again, it's another box on your doom scroll. You know?
Speaker 1:It's like, we we don't know how to get the the the the source science that that that validates all of it, and and including our ancient scriptures, which while we are are reading them and rereading them or some of us just discarding them altogether or revering them or whatever we we're doing with them, we still haven't gotten them because they're they're too caught in the doom scroll screen. All of all of these teachings have yet to be discovered. And so what we're trying to help people bring is to beyond beyond it's not even an eclectic blend of all the different ideologies. Let's bring a little Buddha, little Jesus, a little science, a little no. No.
Speaker 1:No. It's it's calling up the unifying science that that brings all of them together. It's what it shows how they're all moving towards this this common source that is infinite, and it's infinitely diverse. And so there's room for all of us, but it's the place of oneness. It's the place of peace, of harmony, of love that we all desperately want, but feel like how how are we gonna get it?
Speaker 1:Well, this is how we're gonna get it. We gotta step back from the bound will, all of us. We gotta step back from that lens. We gotta be brave now and stop getting sucked in and into that lower level of choice where we can choose activism. We can try to choose to make it better, but we're not we're not getting out of the major rigs.
Speaker 1:We're not we're not stepping back from that from that lower version of the will. So that's why we were saying activism fails all those years ago. It's because as good as the intentions can be and as good as the choice might seem, we're expending our energies in a in a futile endeavor over and over and over. And so in a way, I feel like my message, leave message, is like, yo, guys, I believe most of us are really, really good and want the best for this planet and want the best for ourselves and for our loved ones, and we want to be free. And we want peace and we want harmony, but we're doing it We're we're we're putting the cart before the source instead of cart before the horse.
Speaker 1:We gotta put source first, and and in this sense, that means what we're what we're calling you to do is to step back and see this see that our will is bound, that we are not free. And if nothing else came through today, just let that sink in, and I'll be happy. And we're gonna keep going deeper into that, but that's what I really wanted to hit out of the park today. Well That's my closing statement.
Speaker 2:That's an opening statement, actually. That's an old run, you know. So I'll just echo a few of your amazing points, Nath, and that is a sign that you're in a boundary, even though you feel you have choice, within that belief system or multiple belief systems that you can dance across. One of the biggest major points that the great thinkers through the ages have been bringing out is to realize that you and I and this is what everyday people don't have the literacy, it seems, to realize I am making my life and my world with how I'm using my mind or how my mind is using me. Yeah.
Speaker 2:In other words, I'm interpreting reality. People are seeing that more and more. Right? That what I take to be real on the screen of my consciousness, the content of my life, I'm have something to do with that. And other people have different ways of of of translating reality, the data.
Speaker 2:We translate. We're translators.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And if we're down if we're Interpreters. Say the source. Yeah. Finally. If someone is skeptical, what do mean source?
Speaker 2:Don't is it just Is it just that we're thrown into the many silos and separated in narratives? Is this not the human condition? One of the greatest points of history is that no, it cannot just be fragmented silos without a unifying force. That's why the great first responders, first philosophy, primary being, there's got to be a unifying force to even make sense of our artificial intelligence and life and interpretations and links. And this is the point, When we make links in our chosen way of making meaning by our wills in the within that space, within that matrix, we are making the links.
Speaker 2:Whereas when you enter into the expansive free speech, you're linked in. That's the primary links. That's organic. You're going from artificial using your will, and that's a control freak. You know, the control addiction that I'm controlling the game.
Speaker 2:You know? But when Buddha and others say, have a choice, step back, and we're trying to help others, woah, didn't realize I have a lens, and I have different lens, and others have different lenses. But we're in the same boat, we're seeing the same code. Then we get stories and narratives, and that's our beliefs and our worlds and our truth, and our meaning in my life and my emotion, my meaning, my values, all of that's in my world. And people organize and interpret differently.
Speaker 2:So we're world makers with our lens. And if we're using malware, our world is going to have and show the malware. And the difference is that when you step back, you're opening up the frontier in which you can enter into and surf the field of flow. I mean, to look the music and harmony of the infinite music of unum pluribus. It's not unum unity and plurality silo.
Speaker 2:Unity is multiple, but without breaking into pieces. Mhmm. That's the moral space. That's a human space. That's the quest for well-being, from broken being to well-being.
Speaker 2:So you said it well. This breaking the trash is life and death. Mhmm. Not only for personal, but for the human family and for the whole environment. We've got to find a way to step back and see that we've been lodged within malware.
Speaker 2:And the great teachers have been saying that for centuries, but we we interpret it and download it into where we are. That's the point.
Speaker 1:Yes. Exactly.
Speaker 2:Realize we're doing and we lose it. We lose it and translate it. Mhmm. So we're bad translators. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:You know? And we have to mature to become adequate and and enter into the surfing of the zone. And to be in the zone of people forums. And and that's where we find that ethics and love and democracy and demos and we the people and land of the free. It's not in the derivative.
Speaker 2:It's not physical land. It's it's the the land, the mind land, the source land. That's a land. That's where we can be and liberate ourselves and to meet each other in the sacred space of not objectifying each other, but meeting each other in that human space. That's a human space.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 1:That's the land of the free.
Speaker 2:That's the land. How are we gonna get there? And that's for all humans
Speaker 1:across the planet. Exactly. Wow. Well, I'm I'm satisfied for now.
Speaker 2:I'm not, but never mind.
Speaker 1:I know. I can keep on going. It takes
Speaker 2:a It's really great to dance with you. You do really well. You you speak well, you bring with passion in a way that people I hope can understand. When I speak, I, you know, I I zoom out, and here where people have trouble processing and digesting. But when you do it, wow.
Speaker 2:You know? And I I urge people if you if you're if if anyone's listening and you would like to get some coaching here, go to Navin. He does this with he's a amazing master yoga teacher and coach, singer songwriter. So you can sign up with him and get coaching in in the moving from being bound to being free. So I'm making recommendations now, and I hope you don't mind.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Well, guys, we'll be back next week with more, so stay with us. If you're listening to the podcast, just know that the the YouTube is where if you wanna see the visuals that we provide to while we're sharing, go to the Source Media Network YouTube channel. Otherwise, we'll keep on uploading the audios from these sharings to the audio format as well.
Speaker 1:So I just wanted to let let the listeners out there know that too. Alright, you guys. Thank you so much.
